Detecting design or intent in nature

[Chas]

If I played as fast and loose with those terms as you have, in the automobile example...I could describe how -anything- contained those "elements". That's whats unreasonable about it...get it? It's not the criteria, it's the manner in which you chose to employ it.

How am I playing fast and loose? Are you saying cars being replicated on an assembly line is not replication? Are you saying that even though the form of this years cars is largely inherited from last years cars...that's not heritability? Are you saying small tweaks to the design every year isn't really change? Are you saying when you go to a car lot, you don't select the car you're going to purchase? Claiming I am playing "fast and loose" with those terms is simply hand waving away a point you are incapable of refuting. Sorry but I don't accept your weaseling out counter argument(if you can even call it that).

Evolution requires the replication of replicators. Your example fails.

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So your not interested in evolution but abiogenesis. Specifically, how we would get the first self-replicating molecules. Science currently doesn't know the answer. So what? Do you think now that you're claim is correct? Do you think that your claim is more probable? Because it is not. Your claim introduces whole set of other improbable consequences.

Negative,

I'm interested in how evolutionary systems come into existence(which is a fair question).

And this has been answered. Evolution is the inevitable result of imperfect replication of replicators and differential reproductive success.

There is no 'system' to come into existence.