Detecting design or intent in nature

[Heywood]

Please read and understand this. If you cherry-pick a one-liner and give some terse comment, then I'm out of this thread, as I will take it as evidence that you are more interested in sticking to your God idea than in presenting an argument that accords with the rules of logic (which includes the proper use of category).

Benny, the definition of evolutionary system I am using is reasonable. It was not tailor fitted so that only human created evolutionary systems satisfy it. In fact I would challenge you to present an argument that the definition I am using for evolutionary system could only apply to human created systems.

The fact is the definition I am using could apply to evolutionary systems which did not need intellects if such systems actually exist. This should be intuitively true to you because you accept that a system which you believe came into existence without the need of an intellect satisfies it.

If you don't want me to consider just human created evolutionary systems, then present some systems which are not human created.....I will consider them. If they turn out to have come into existence with out intellects and satisfy the very generic and broad definition I am using for evolutionary system, then I will shut up.

There are two things I have been considering over the last couple of days. Minerals and birds nest. The system which lead to the diversity of minerals around us today....is it evolutionary? Birds nests.....some of them are pretty snazzy and I wonder if they evolved like cars do.