(February 2, 2015 at 8:27 am)robvalue Wrote: You're saying conciousness is required for conciousness.i'm saying we can't doubt consciousness. we can doubt matter. therefore a world without consciousness can't be real but a world without matter can. so why do we need matter?
(February 2, 2015 at 8:27 am)robvalue Wrote: We don't have any reason to believe the mind actually exists as anything other than an internal process of the brain.you have no reason to believe it is an internal process of the brain. what we see is that brain can affect mind, but that doesn't mean it causes it.
(February 2, 2015 at 8:27 am)robvalue Wrote: It's a description of what we appear to be experiencing, but in what way is conciousness real?real-actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
well I don't just imagine or suppose I am conscious. I think therefore I am. that's proof enough for consciousness.
(February 2, 2015 at 8:27 am)robvalue Wrote: Can anyone else detect or measure my soul, mind or conciousness?no humans at least. but you can detect your own which is proof enough that consciousness exists.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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