Idealism is more Rational than Materialism

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Idealism is more Rational than Materialism

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RE: Idealism is more Rational than Materialism

February 4, 2015 at 10:18 am (This post was last modified: February 4, 2015 at 10:48 am by Alex K.)

(February 3, 2015 at 9:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(February 3, 2015 at 7:00 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

Frustra fit per plura, quod potest fieri per pauciora.
"It is pointless to do with more what can be done with fewer."

~ William of Ockham

The key term in that phrase is "can" — if you haven't shown that reality is possible under idealism, you haven't satisfied the razor.

Until then, this is all just semantics and speculation.

I don't know about that. Idealism seems to be the most parsimonious of all theories, having dispensed with matter altogether. I think the question is whether it leaves out too much.

See what I said above. It's not the most parsimonious since this mind world of idealism has to have all the properties and content of the material world. It's at best equally parsimonious, in which case it is simply a renaming.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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Idealism is more Rational than Materialism - by Rational AKD - February 2, 2015 at 3:11 am

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