(February 4, 2015 at 9:17 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Consciousness is fundamental to experience. That's it.why does that have to be it? it seems you just make this blatant statement without feeling the need to justify it.
(February 4, 2015 at 9:17 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: You're trying to say that consciousness is fundamental to the Universe, as if its existence, and not just your experiential interaction with it, is contingent upon your mind.not my mind particularly.
(February 4, 2015 at 9:17 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Not only is this as absurd of egotism as any religion that posits man as the center of creation, it also makes zero sense when you think about what that actually meanswell, not particularly man. just any conscious beings. and why doesn't it make sense? in a video game the player is the center of that world and everything else is contributing to the payable character's experience. if humans can create this kind of simulative world, why can't we be in one? because we're the center of the universe and there are no beings smarter than us? *irony*
(February 4, 2015 at 9:17 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: which is, of course, why you are forced, contrary to Occam's razor and in spite of lacking any evidence, to ad hoc posit God à la your Super Duper Conscious.I don't come to this conclusion lacking evidence, I have stated my evidence several times... if solipsism is true, then I should be in full control of my thoughts, and since everything is comprised of my thoughts I should be in control of everything. but I do not experience this control, therefore there must be something outside myself that does. the simplest explanation would be another mind. this is because I am already familiar with the concept of mind, while i'm not familiar with the concept of non-mind since I can only think in terms of mind. this would make non-mind material non-parsimonious and unverifiable.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo