(February 6, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Chas Wrote:(February 6, 2015 at 4:13 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I wouldn't call it a concentration camp, because it's not: it's a quarantine, something that both federal and state governments in the US has been empowered to do for a very long time. If you want the right to not vaccinate then fine, you can have it. I'd like to see you argue that you also have the right to expose everyone else to the dangerous viral hotbox you're intent on turning your body into; no court in the world will uphold your right to knowingly infect others with deadly diseases.
Are you sure it's 'knowingly'? Seems likely that it's ignorantly.
Oh, they at least recognize that by not vaccinating you leave yourself open to infection by the diseases the vaccine confers immunity for; that's why you get so many anti-vaxxers who seem desperate to minimize the effects of those diseases. I saw a children's book the other day- a fucking picture book for kids- that was all about how awesome it is to have measles. The message got kinda muddied by the multiple, conflicting perspectives the author wanted to jam together (though the title calls measles "marvelous," the book takes pains to only depict people who got vaccinated actually contracting the disease, in a "so much for vaccinations!" kind of way, while simultaneously asserting that not vaccinating and drinking lots of fruit juice will be sufficient to make you safe from measles... and yet still characterizing the disease as a fun anecdote you can show off to your friends at school and get popular) but the entire enterprise is extremely fucked up.
Dystopia Wrote:Yeah but regardless of laws it's still an interesting topic. I think vaccines are imperatives of health but at the same time I don't like coercion;
The same argument could be leveled against, say, mandatory driving requirements, like being over a certain age and having a driver's license, and not driving drunk or over the speed limit. It's still government coercion but it serves a common good and so we've just kinda accepted it into the fabric of our society. Vaccinations are no different, it's just that we're having the conversation now that people are willing to relinquish their common sense on this issue, when that same conversation was had about driving long ago.
Quote:how would we force someone to vaccinate? Fines? What if the person refuses to pay? I'm curious.
The same way we deal with anyone else who breaks a law they feel entitled to break. No special treatment here. Fine them, and exclude them from places where they could endanger others. They break those laws, they can deal with the consequences.
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