So did Atheism + bite the dust?

[TheMessiah]

Censorship is a government only tool. I'm gonna need credible evidence - AKA one that is not made by an MRA institution or men's rights activists. I need empirical evidence done by a researcher.

Censorship is certainly not just a government tool. You asked for evidence of Social Justice Warriors promoting censorship? I just told you, the link Cato gave of the Social Justice Warriors in Atheism +. They outright mocked and censored opposing posts.

http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/20...-atheists/

And how many people really think gamers deserve to die?

And how many people really think Anita Sarkeesian deserves to be raped? These threats against Gamers are legitimate to the point where Lizzyf620, a prominent member had to stop talking about GamerGate because of the social media threats her family got.

No one takes that seriously.

Exactly...

People called Gamers immoral yet the critics were ignoring and also making horrible threats towards a demographic...

The idea that ''no one takes it seriously'' is Internet culture at play. There's little evidence to suggest an anonymous rape threat over the Internet is more severe than a death threat.

And there's a difference between insulting a whole group and mailing or commenting on a Youtube directly threatening the person.

Exactly...which is why I said, Gamers ave had direct threats given towards tem and their family. It's why Lizzyf620 was threatened, among other Gamers who had their families threatened.

LOL - I'm not going to take your MRA speech seriously. MRA's are a hate group. They are fuelled by old fashioned logic that wants to put women back in their place. Fuck MRA's and their anecdotal claims

MRA's are not a hate group. I'm not an MRA, but I sympathize with the third-wave Feminist dogma they have to face. And again, it wasn't MRA's who deemed it not legitimate, the Utah University State Official with the help of the Police deemed it not a legitimate threat

MRA's do not want to put women in their place, they want to separate the Cultural Marxists from the legitimate Feminists.

Why do anti-feminists don't give a shit about death and rape threats directed at women?

They do care. As I told you; if you go the main and central hub of Gamer-Gate, you will see that it is said in the rules that no harassment or doxxing will be tolerated and anyone who advocates it will get instant banning.

Also, not being a Feminist does not make you directly 'against' it or a misogynist.

Everyone gets criticism, but it's pretty obvious that the frequency of rape threats is somewhat frequent when a woman decides to talk about sexism, because some men want to put women in their place and shit.

I'm going to have to ask for evidence than this, because I cannot accept this assertion at face value. The frequency of threats in Gamer-Gate has forced people to stop advocating it.

Again, Lizzyf620 had to stop her support for Gamer-Gate because her family was threatened. Lizzy is a woman too, and her threat is just as valid.

The Internet is not just a place where women are the only ones who get threats, men get threats to their life simply for discussing a different opinion.

On the topic of censorship, giving someone a death threat because they support Gamer-Gate is surely attempted censorship. In fact, the sheer fact that Lizzyf620 was forced to stop her support because of her opinion is a testament to that.

With unreliable sources.

What?

You cite the rape threats Anita Sarkeesian gets from anonymous users yet somehow, the death threats on Twitter towards Gamers (recorded, therefore they have been factually made, hence not ''unreliable'') with the actual account names is somehow 'unreliable'?

Your sources are not reliable. MRA's, conservative institutions and thunderf00t.

I will post this video for the 10th time.

What is unreliable about it? It's a guy finding actual screen-capped tweets. How is that unreliable if these tweets were made by real people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5zKunaiCQw

Also, what's wrong with being Conservative? You say that as if it's a degrading insult.

Women face threats and harassment far more when they dare to criticize something that is male dominated.

Men can face threats far more when they say something out of line with a Social Justice standpoint.

Women and ethnic minoriteis started the tag #NotYourShield to vocally criticize Anita and other third-wave Feminists (Wuu) and guess what? They all got threats for it because they dared to question the narrative.

Dawkins gets threats from everyone including theists.

Yeah, so? By definition, he is a ''privileged white male'' yet he gets threats for questioning the religious narrative. His race and gender doesn't mean jack, he gets sick threats.

No but the frequency of rape threats is disturbing.

The frequency of any threat is disturbing. Not just rape threats.

Because there's already a lot of victim blaming and people who think women deserve rape. If rape threats are common against women it just shows there are men who think women deserve rape as a form of correction and that they are to blame.

There's also victim blaming for men. There is victim blaming for anyone who puts themselves into a position to get themselves known, victim blaming is silly, I agree.

Also do you realize that your speech right now is used all around the world by conservatives against every institution that fights for social justice?

No. I am not a Conservative due to their stance on religion (even if I was, seriously? How is it an insult), and I call out Social Justice Warriors when they threaten people or anyone who disagrees.

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Ideology doesn't really matter much since anyone can be asshole.

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What?

I fully agreed that people making death threats is unacceptable. My point was that the threats Anita Sarkeesian face are not isolated incidents, the gaming community she condemns, as I showed, have also faced death threats and threats to the family.

Okay then. I was just confused by why it not being an isolated incident has important. It happened it was inappropriate behavior. I don't care who was the victim. If people threaten William Lane Craig and his family I wouldn't laugh at that.

Okay.

I personally don't laugh at any threats. Some people can. Richard Dawkins laughed at his hatemail, I personally can't do that, but threatening people is immoral for sure and this should not really be a legit question...

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What?

I fully agreed that people making death threats is unacceptable. My point was that the threats Anita Sarkeesian face are not isolated incidents, the gaming community she condemns, as I showed, have also faced death threats and threats to the family.

This only proves that both sides are wrong and are assholes when taken to the extreme. It doesn't really prove your point about social justice advocates and how they try to poison everything. You don't have any proof b sides tumblr that people fighting for social justice want to censor opponents.

I do have proof that they want censorship, and I've posted it. The sheer fact that Lizzy was doxxed; among other people threatened is a testament to the fact that they don't want people voicing another opinion.

Social Justice Warriors are lazy online activists. They can get riled up to the point where they must push their narrative and force it. The Atheism + is evidence...

Both sides are wrong, all I am saying is that I see a lack of acknowledgement from the media to point out threats towards Gamers.