RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2015 at 4:40 pm by Dystopia.)
Quote:Also, simply because something is sourced or supported with a link to a conservative website, that doesn't mean that the support is faulty. Although you deny that your discussion was ideological in nature, you yourself have relied upon ideological standing in listening to or rejecting what he has posted.No I rely on where the evidence points to. The American Enterprise Institute is neo-conservative leaning so obviously they are not a credible source, particularly because they deny everything that don't fits their ideology. Some of their positions like climate change skepticism, their position on neo-liberalism and deregulated market and so on make them a source with little credibility, particularly because evidence in economics points to an overly deregulated market being a synonym with poverty, inequalities and misery. So yeah Parkers, why the hell should I trust that source? Also, institutions like the AEI question the frequency of rape and lean on the side that says "women are crying" rape, which includes minimizing, focusing on false accusations and claiming that rape frequency is not that big even when evidence points out. this link shows how conservatives in particular (includes position of the AEI) try to twist rape victims and the dangers of sex assault by minimizing and doing some questionable studies.
Quote:I'm saying that as a disinterested party. I think some feminists are whack-jobs, and some are very sensible; some men bear illegitimate butthurt, and others have every right to complain about gender-based treatment. Truth rarely lives on the fringes, and I think radical feminists should be viewed with that aphorism in mind.Correct, I think some rad-fems bring terrible claims and I disapprove it, but thinking it is common in feminism to think men should be castrated is not a wise decision.
On the other hand what we are discussing right now is not radical feminism only but:
- If this movement the OP talks about known as atheism+ really highjacked the rest of the community (atheist), something I find unreasonable to think
- If MRA's are helping men, something I disagree with
- By the way, I didn't just deny the source, I did a constructive reply to the video about gaming and sexism where I pointed out how to take a critical sociological approach to media that helps us see how it affects our perceptions. I also said the book from 2nd wave feminist Betty Friedan named The Feminine Mystique is very good at demonstrating how the media affects our perception of everything and, in particular, shapes how women are viewed and treated in society.
- TheMessiah has been continuously posting links - He started to the OP and then he got offended that someone refuses throwing the word feminazi commonly without much purpose and started constantly providing links, videos and websites to prove his claims.
- By the way, my problem with the word feminazi is that while it may be ok to use as an accusation, it gets thrown excessively to silence women who complain about legitimate problems - When a man calls her a feminazi people will automatically think less of her, and when women protest for important issues they are seen as in need to be put in their place.
Parkers - I'll tell you something, I actually have the right to deny sources if I don't find them credible, as long as I state what I deem as acceptable evidence. If my standards are reasonable, I don't see the problem - I asked for an impartial source, and obviously quoting conservative institutions affiliated with Bush administration; quoting Men's rights activists and quoting the first websites that show up if you type "Feminazi quotes" are not acceptable evidence - it's confirmation bias.
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