RE: So did Atheism + bite the dust?
February 10, 2015 at 9:35 pm
(This post was last modified: February 10, 2015 at 9:45 pm by Violet.)
(February 10, 2015 at 8:40 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Alice, without specialization results are miserable. A single group claiming to be pro-equality for everyone will not accomplish much without sub-groups that deal with people's issues specifically.
We're close enough to 'there' already... I can see support groups remaining useful within a greater whole, but there's far too much us vs them when you have small groups... LGB vs T, for instance. In the example provided... T had to advocate itself into LGB to get anywhere. There is a great deal of power in consolidation, and consolidation certainly does not mean that the agendas of each involved group cannot be met outside of said consolidation.
Central support for human rights has powers that aren't being effectively tapped into at this moment in time. Subgroups should be able to pitch their wants to the human rights group, which would have considerably more weight to throw around without the associated negative political baggage of any of its constituent groups.
Quote:The way I see it, feminism is a sub-sect of Egalitarianism, so is LGBT's rights, black activism, etc, but it's positive for groups to exist that focus on specific groups. I think men's rights groups could be useful if they focused on working with feminists to erase gender roles. (I don't see a reason why someone who is a feminist shouldn't be an egalitarian - It makes sense because feminism is usually anti-racist, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia and pro-multiculturalism - Which are reasonable ideas for an egalitarian society)
I don't see why they shouldn't be either... all I can say is that it's quite evident that not all of them are (and I daresay that not even 'many' of them are... if most feminists are egalitarian: they do a shite job of showing it when they support the man-hating portions of their group), and therefore it shouldn't simply be assumed of feminists that they are egalitarians. Egalitarians being feminists, on the other hand, is by even the simplest of definitions necessary.
Quote:The way I see it feminism doesn't even mean activism. It can mean simply that you support certain branches of the movement or a specific feminist celebrity. You can be a feminist and not engage in activism. I like having my feminine traits as a man (I have my masculine as well) and because of that I'll only benefit from feminist activism (Now I can cry at peace and appreciate works of art without being called a pussy)
My dictionary only mentions advocacy, which is synonymical with support or backing.
'Activism' and 'advocacy' aren't one and the same... I'm certainly not supporting the notion that every person who supports a womens' rights agenda is a feminazi...
But many 'advocates' are quiet... whereas activists are anything but. Far too many people take a back seat to support... and this lets other people put words in their mouths and become their spokespersons.
... Feminazis are amongst feminist spokespersons right now.
(February 10, 2015 at 9:17 pm)Irrational Wrote: To this day, I have yet to meet such a feminazi that you guys keep referring to, whether in person or online or in the media. Where can I spot one?
I'd recommend trans meetings. Barring that, it's fairly prevalent amongst the greater LGBT community.
Atheism+ (origin of this thread, I guess)... is a great example.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day