RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
February 13, 2015 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2015 at 5:41 pm by Heywood.)
(February 13, 2015 at 5:09 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I don't see how you came to the conclusion that those require intellect? Have you observed this intellect? Whos mind is it coming from? Have you observed this intellect actively guiding all change over every species at all times? If you could even begin to establish that such an intelligence exists them maybe we can talk about what requires it.
You really need to read this thread because all your question have been asked and answered several times. The question isn't whether or not intellect is actively guiding biological evolution. The question is do such systems come into existence sans intellect. Observations suggest that such systems do not come into existence sans intellect.
Can you present an observation of a such a system coming into existence sans intellect?
(February 13, 2015 at 5:19 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Please present an observation which falsifies my argument that there's a Magic Space Monkey hiding behind the sun. You can't? Oh, then it must be true.
We've looked behind the sun and observed there are no magic space monkies....Your argument is falsified by observation.
We do observe Heywood systems coming into existence requiring intellect. We never observe Heywood systems coming into existence sans intellect. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that it is likely that all Heywood systems, including those we can't observe coming into existence, require(d) intellect.
Now you can easily falsify this conclusion by presenting an example of a system, which has the elements of replication, heritable traits, change, and selection....which was observed coming into existence without intellect. It is easy......very easy......to find such systems coming into existence requiring intellect. Why is it so extremely difficult, that after asking for the last 108 pages of this thread, not one of you can come up with one example of such a system coming into existence without an intellect? Why are you guys having such a hard time presenting an observation which falsifies the conclusion?
