RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
February 14, 2015 at 7:56 am
(This post was last modified: February 14, 2015 at 8:04 am by Heywood.)
(February 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, still unable to tell us where we've observed an intellect that didn't originate on earth, eh woody? Or how to differentiate between smugness and rebuttal, apparently.
We've never observed an intellect originating anywhere other than earth. But I blame that on our lack of action/ability to look anywhere other than earth. Still, your question only backs my thinking.
Suppose one night, your mom tucks you into bed, kisses you on your forehead, turns on your nightlight, slowly closes the door while telling you to have sweet dreams. The next morning you awake to find yourself in a strange room without any apparent doors or windows. You realize you've been kidnapped.....but by who? If you've only ever observed earth intellects, and never observed non earth intellects, you'd conclude you were kidnapped by humans from earth. Your conclusion would be reasonable given your observation.
However, suppose you've just got a job with the Men in Black and have been introduced to all sorts of non earth aliens. Now you wouldn't be so sure you've been kidnapped by humans. You'd probably be checking your backside for probes placed by others instead of the ones placed there by yourself.
Asking where the intellect is that was necessary for the evolutionary system which created us is a very reasonable question. But it doesn't magically mean there was no intellect or there couldn't be an intellect....so it doesn't falsify my argument.
(February 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Oh, and if you insist on this argument that evolutionary systems can only come about via intelligence, would you mind telling us all where the intellect that created the very first evolutionary system came from?
Again there is observational evidence that intellects create evolutionary systems. There is also observational evidence that evolutionary systems create intellects. You assume, because your atheistic faith demands it, that evolutionary systems had to come first. I don't make such an assumption and your atheistic faith isn't a good enough reason for me to believe your assumption. Maybe the bottom of the hierarchy is an evolutionary system. Maybe it is an intellect. Again your question doesn't falsify my argument. Its just an interesting question that isn't answered by any of our observations.