RE: If
February 18, 2015 at 8:03 am
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2015 at 9:02 am by Little Rik.)
(February 17, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Surgenator Wrote:(February 17, 2015 at 3:46 am)Riketto Wrote: You like rasu can not answer my question.
I guess it is hard to digest this one.
Your questions start of with incorrect premises. There like "when did you stop beating your wife" questions. They make unjustified assumptions. Hence, your questions are just stupid.
I can not see any incorrect premises.
The question is very very simple.
It say..............DO YOU THINK THAT THE UNIVERSE CAN EXIST WITHOUT A MIND & CONSCIOUSNESS OR NOT?
Is this too intellectual or hard to understand?
(February 17, 2015 at 1:39 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I answered your question exactly as posed to me. Don't accuse me of not answering when I did answer. What you just said was a lie.
and..........If you ask me whether I believe there is a controlling consciousness, I would say yes. But you asked me to answer according to your previous post — and that subject didn't come up in your previous post.
Why would you care about my previous post.
Forget about it for a second or two.
Now the plane already took off and we left the place where we were before.
Ok. now that you answered the question i would like to know who may be this controlling consciousness.
Anybody other than God?
Quote:How do you know it is the right path if you haven't reached your destination
Because it works and anything that works well it is likely to lead to some nice place.
But again you may be correct.
It just remind me of the sheep that at the end are taken to the abattoir by the sheppard that they trusted.
Gee, yogini for Christ sake why the hell you try to be so pessimistic all the time?
(February 17, 2015 at 11:00 am)whateverist Wrote:(February 17, 2015 at 3:46 am)Riketto Wrote: So, instead of answering my question you come up with more questions.
Can't you make it more simple and say whether the universe can exist without a controlling mind and consciousness or not?
Not addressed to me but I can tell you I don't know what the answer to your question may be, Rik. I don't seem to be in any position from which to verify if there is or isn't a controlling mind which makes the universe possible. To be aware of a universe as such requires consciousness. But even if we agree to say it is consciousness which creates the universe as an object of my awareness, that doesn't automatically confer any control over the universe to the consciousness. So I see no way to answer your question.
Very good whatever.
As you can see i rewarded you with one of my special kudo that i rarely give.
My kudos are worth hundreds of normal kudos.
Why i did gave you the kudo?
Not because i agree with your idea but because unlike other you answered without arguing about my intentions.
My idea of a body without a mind-consciousness doesn't make any sense at all that is why i asked whether it make any sense to you guys.
In the past i came across atheists which were saying that the universe doesn't need any controlling mind as it can run by itself like as it could follow the laws of thermodynamics.
But again the question remain as to started the process in the first place.