(February 20, 2015 at 10:13 am)CristW Wrote:(February 20, 2015 at 4:06 am)Godschild Wrote: They did not as I will explain, it had to do with certain things people thought were sinful.
Yes they did, and it was pointed at the Jewish believers not the Gentiles.
You say the above, then you say the quote below.
How could there have been such a battle between the two, you yourself say the book of Revelations was written last, actually it was written after Paul's death.
Paul couldn't of defended himself after he was dead. If you will read the whole of the NT, you will see that Paul says it's fine to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but do not do it at the expense of causing a Jewish/or any believer to sin or fall. What you are referring to in Revelations is the law the Jewish Christians upheld even though they in reality did not have to. Paul explains that if one believes it's a sin to eat such meat it's a sin and one will be judged that way. Remember this one, "judge not least ye be judged." Meaning judge someone by a certain thing and God will judge you according to what you would condemn others of. Paul gave many things that were sinful, he gave them as absolutes, then he said that things like the food laws were not binding unless one wanted it to be that way. Paul through the love of Christ was trying to help both sides of such issues, he never tried to raise controversy, he did his best to help keep these situations from getting in the way of Christianity and the love it promotes.
Again Paul was dead before the book of Revelations was written.
He wasn't until Peter spoke and reassured the Council that Jesus came also for the Gentiles, that what was once considered filth was acceptable to God. Peter also asked them why they would put the burden of the Law on the Gentiles, when the Jewish people could not bear the weight of it. James conceded circumcision and most all the law because of what Peter testified to, James threw in the law of sacrificed meats to idols and sexual immorality to appease himself and the other Jewish leaders. Sexual immorality was a given through Christ's teachings, the meat thing was Jame's way of trying to force something on the Gentiles, something they did a lot of, he thought they should have to give up something. Paul didn't argue the point at the time, he had just won a victory and would deal with the food law later. We see this in later letters as you yourself have pointed out.
GC
1. What is the point of describing the FOODS SACRIFICED TO ROMAN IDOLS? The Book of Revelation is therefore meant for the early Christian audience not for a future audience! (Otherwords, you have been excluded.)
The Churches of revelations were used for examples of future churches, The Jewish Christians believe it was sinful to eat meat sacrificed to false gods. In that belief God tells them you will be judge as you judge, a warning to the future churches, live by the scriptures, for I will judge you by what you want to make doctrine.
Quote:2. There are no ROMAN FOOD marketplace and especially there are no ROMAN PAGAN STATUES at the food marketplace. If there were today would you still go?
No foods are off limits to me, the only reason I might not eat some foods at certain times, is to keep a fellow brother/sister from stumbling if they believe it's wrong to eat that food. I deal with this all the time I have a good friend who is an Adventist.
Quote:3. The main issue for the early Christians then was FOODS SACRIFICED UNDER ROMAN PAGAN STATUES. This was the repeating theme for John in the Book of Revelation. Of course, it was the last book I made this clear in my earlier post but probably I failed to make this very clear to you.
I know what you were trying to do, I'm not gullible enough to take your word for it. I've dealt with this for years and know what the whole of the NT says. Your failure is in trying to confuse the scriptures, it might work on those who haven't spent the time studying the scriptures to find the true meanings within them. It will work on those who do not believe, they're gullible enough to accept things untrue because they believe it hurts Christianity. As I said earlier it was meant for those churches and the ones to come. The book of Revelation was written after Paul's death, so there could be nor doctrine battle going on between Paul and John. You also have missed something very important, John is told to write down what he sees, not what he thinks is correct.
Quote:4. Therefore, the Book of Revelation is a false prophecy concerning Jesus physical return. Christianity only has the moral lessons and that's it. These moral lessons are the main points: NO WARMONGERING and NO HOARDING OF WEALTH!
Christians are not to war monger nor should they hoard wealth, but those were not the points you were making, you were saying Christians were not to even defend themselves against evil people or have enough money to make them comfortable, the scriptures do not teach such nonsense.
Please explain the entire book, give us Christians how all the prophesies have been fulfilled. Here's a question when does Jesus move to the sanctuary.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.