Detecting design or intent in nature

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I didn't observe the first evolutionary system so I don't know the answer to your question. I only know what I observe and what I observe is that evolutionary systems seem to require intellect to come into existence.

Which still doesn't absolve you of the dilemma implicit in your argument. There are only two options: either you're dead wrong, or you're basing your conclusion on something that you haven't observed, which means you either need to walk back what you're saying, or be a hypocrite.

One thing is certain: the things you claim to observe cannot support the argument you're making here.

My conclusion, that evolutionary systems require intellect is based on what I observe.....not on what I did not observe(un-like your conclusions).

So, this is now at least repetition number four of me telling you that my conclusion is that neither of us know; there really isn't any other way to take your continued insistence that this isn't my conclusion than as a deliberate, dishonest strawman.

And yes....you are assuming your own conclusion. Your question assumes evolutionary systems are at the bottom of the hierarchy. There is no meaningful observational evidence to suggest this is true. Your thinking is wishful and sloppy.

Not at all. However, your dismissal of natural evolution depends entirely on the claim that we've never observed it, when equally we've never seen any life that wasn't the product of evolution itself. That's why there's a second prong to the dilemma you're still facing here, which is where you claim the first life didn't come about via evolution, and are an intractable hypocrite because of that. You can't say I'm assuming my conclusion when there's an entire prong of my argument dedicated to the possibility that this conclusion isn't true. I've now repeated that prong twice, and aside from willful obtuseness I can't think of a reason why you'd continue to act like it's not there.

I know neither of the prongs bode well for your lazy, self serving argumentation, and that you're desperate to get away from the clear problems in it however you can, but just pretending that fifty percent of my argument doesn't exist is just ridiculous.