RE: Christian- 90% of us suck
February 21, 2015 at 8:05 am
(This post was last modified: February 21, 2015 at 8:20 am by GrandizerII.)
That's cool, OP, but I think way more than 10% of Christians are ok in my book.
You can never be too sure of that.
Did you ever check the text yourself to see if they were really talking about the Jesus?
And, even assuming what you said is true, why would the Jews' belief that he was a magician be evidence that Jesus must've been divine? We have many magicians today. We don't see them as divine beings.
From Wikipedia:
Bart Ehrman, and separately Mark Allan Powell, state that the Talmud references are quite late (hundreds of years) and give no historically reliable information about the teachings or actions of Jesus during his life.
Scholars argue that the Talmud provides no evidence of Jesus as a historical individual, instead they view the Talmudic references as reaction to Jesus as the messiah of Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud
Can it be established that these scholars are wrong?
(February 20, 2015 at 12:22 pm)dennyg Wrote: It doesn't necessarily. But it's much more reliable if it gives a correct history, which the NT and some of the OT does.
You can never be too sure of that.
Quote:In the case for Jesus having some sort of supernatural ability, that actually has some non-Biblical evidence as well. Some rabbinical records from the time Jesus is said to have been alive talk of him as a 'magician.' They hated Jesus and ultimately forced Pontius Pilate to kill him, but that suggests they believed in his supernatural powers. They attributed it to witchcraft and not divinity is the only difference.
That extra-Biblical reference to Jesus having powers is, to me, the most compelling argument for him actually being what he claimed to be
Did you ever check the text yourself to see if they were really talking about the Jesus?
And, even assuming what you said is true, why would the Jews' belief that he was a magician be evidence that Jesus must've been divine? We have many magicians today. We don't see them as divine beings.
From Wikipedia:
Bart Ehrman, and separately Mark Allan Powell, state that the Talmud references are quite late (hundreds of years) and give no historically reliable information about the teachings or actions of Jesus during his life.
Scholars argue that the Talmud provides no evidence of Jesus as a historical individual, instead they view the Talmudic references as reaction to Jesus as the messiah of Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud
Can it be established that these scholars are wrong?
