(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: One major difference (at least in LDS theology) is the belief that we are free agents; able to choose our path; and it is this for which we will be judged.
As I understand it, whenever a Muslin attempts anything, it is always "Insha'Allah"... God willing, suggesting that God has already pre-determined everything. To me, this does not square with observation. People in the world make choices all of the time that are actually in spite of God's will.
How are they able to master the will of an omnipotent being? Does he let them do it? Then he has a share of the blame. If I had let my son, at three, run across a busy boulevard only to watch him get hit, would you not hold me at least partially responsible? If I witnessed an incipient murder that I could have stopped, and I refused to do so, am I not at least partially to blame in the resulting death?
You must either abandon omnipotence, or abandon goodness, because you cannot have both. "Free will" means nothing when one's soul is held for ransom.
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(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: I was having a discussion in another area concerning the nature of law whether laws on earth were all subjective (and they are) and whether God's law, being as eternal as He is and which He Himself abides is objective (which it is)
Your god is obviously a subjective phenomenon, as you cannot present evidence for his existence. It follows that what you claim as his "law" is also subjective, meaning that it is your creation -- or the creation of your religious masters -- imputed upon him.
First, you show your little god-thingy to be true. Then, you call him "objective". That is the requisite order of operations.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: God's eternal law is designed that if followed, will yield the greatest happiness.
Tell that to the gay people your church spent millions denying them the right to marry. By the way, you think that your god created them the way that they are, yet you would deny them the happiness that your god destined for them.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: God's law applies equally to all His children and the only thing we need to be concerned about is obedience.
No. The only trait that distinguishes humans from other animals, so far as we know, is the trait of moral judgement. To demand humans to not judge even your god is to demand that humans not be human.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: Observation would indicate that Sharia law is not equitable, neither does it demonstrate charity (which is a required characteristic for someone who desires to become one with God for the sake of salvation).
There's a bunch of Mormons gonna burn in Hell then, Charlie, because you guys spent a shitload of money getting Prop 8 passed and thereby denying equitable treatment to gay folk in California. And because you guys must tithe, that means you all are culpable in that injustice. You, personally, if you have given money to the LDS, you personally have acted to treat people inequitably.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: Salvation requires oneness with God and oneness requires the characteristic of charity. It seems to me that Sharia law is about compulsion, not charity. I hear about merciful Allah, but I don't see it in the practice of Islam. They are much too violent.
How many Muslims do you know personally? How many have you known in your life? I want exact figures.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: The core message of Christianity is that Jesus Christ suffered, died, was buried and rose again on the third day thus paying the penalty demanded by justice for a broken law (which we broke) on condition of repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, the laying on of hands by someone in authority for the gift of the Holy Ghost (who gives inspiration and helps us endure in repentance until the end of our days).
No. The core message of Christianity is that humans are evil.
(February 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)ether-ore Wrote: Past that, one should be prepared to go to the temple and be sealed to wife and family for time and all eternity. This sealing power... this priesthood is on the earth again today as it was in the days of Peter to whom God gave the power to seal on earth and in heaven. It now resides in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The gospel of Jesus Christ is once again restored to the earth with all the authority and ordinances required for salvation and eternal life.
In LDS theology and doctrine, eternal life is the message.
Like every other offshoot of Christianity, yours too is a death cult. Fuck off.
