RE: Christian recall notice
February 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2015 at 5:30 pm by ether-ore.)
(February 22, 2015 at 11:41 am)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I'm not asking you to prove your God. Notice the subtle difference in this request.
Neither you, nor I believe in Allah and yet there are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. Of those Muslims, many of them will say that you are praying to the wrong God and the path you've chosen, while noble to you, earns you the same fate as an unbeliever like me. Notice that this doesn't concern you in the least. If they're right, neither you or myself will be in the company of God after this life and neither one of us seem to care. Personally, I don't think any of you have good reasons to believe that any one of you is actually following any form of divine command, and so the Muslims and their ideas concerning my eternal destination do not worry me in the least. Sureky youve considered the fact that there are more options other than belief in the God that ether-ore thinks is right-or not. There are lots of other options. Im not asking you to prove your God. I know you don't follow your religion simply because it makes you feel good. You do and everyone else follow your religions because you have an idea in your head regarding the existence of a specific God and you are certain that what you are doing is what they want you to do. What I'm asking you to tell me is-How can you know that the others are wrong? What if they're right, and you've devoted your life to a folly? What can you say to the Jihadist Muslim who says that the way you've chosen to live your life is wrong? Why are they wrong? How do you know? Remember, they have faith as well, but in the end, either somebody is going to be right or somebody is seriously going to be wrong. Why should I be concerned about any of this?
I've given you my best answer and not to my surprise, you have rejected it. There is nothing I can say that will convince you. Having identified yourself as an unbeliever (atheist), you are probably as entrenched in your belief as I am in mine. Yes, my position is dependent on faith and yes I think Muslims are wrong because of their behavior, but there does not exist a way for me to convince either you or them that they are wrong. Revelations tell me that there are three groups that God Himself will convert in a day... Jews, Muslims, and atheists. God Himself as a consequence of His appearing will make the change. Until then... no way Jose. I've told you what I believe and there really isn't any more to say on this subject.
(February 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: You see ether,
You are doing nothing more than pretending to know these things your are saying. You have nothing to back up any of it, other than pointing to the "prophets" or some book written by a proven con-man.
Hardly something to build a world view on.
The founder of your religion was a base liar, conman, scoundrel and nothing more.
The Book of Abraham blows away any claim of divinity, prophet-hood, consistency or cohesiveness.
All you can do is a hand-wave, but that won't work very well around here. Your beliefs have the same foundation of sand as Muslims, Raelians, Sasquatch hunters, and the ancient astronaut lot - a bunch of unsupported naked assertions. Except, in the case of the Mormons, we have several smoking guns: the Book of Abraham being particularly damning.
For reasons only you know, this is acceptable to you. Now that is truly the "mystery".
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(February 22, 2015 at 5:16 pm)Brakeman Wrote:(February 22, 2015 at 11:10 am)ether-ore Wrote: You demand (as If I owed you something) that I demonstrate somehow "How do you know that their God is not real"? A coupe of things... I could care less about the flag you threw to the ground, I am not subservient that you should talk down to me..
WAAAH WAAAH WAaaah, cry us a river! You can't answer the questions so you stump up and act like a child.. This is an atheist discussion forum. Look up at the header, it should give you a clue..
We know the answers to our questions, we're just trying to get you to admit them. No science, or evidence supports the wild ass claims of the mormon church. There is no one listening to your prayers and especially no one talking back in them. It is all a fancy delusion that you've grown to love.
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