(August 21, 2010 at 4:14 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Well surely Heaven and Hell has to be subjective otherwise they are pointless as concepts.So I agree with your analysis of your own argument. It runs contrary to my understanding of the concept of heaven and hell which seem to be destinations with objective proerties to me. Having said that I guess we can both agree theconcepts are vaccuous and are wildly open to any interpretation you care to put on them.
A masochist enjoys pain (maybe not absolute torture though... but pain at least), so pain for him/her is pleasure. Hence why pleasure is subjective. And so is Heaven and Hell then.
If we are to define Heaven as "Eternal Bliss" and Hell as "Eternal torture", then since pleasure and pain are subjective, since emotions themselves are subjective, of course it's relative to the person somewhat.
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