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Right, well yeah!

That's kind of my point. If the HJ crowd don't have convincing evidence, then they lose. It's not up to the mythicists to find "proof of nothing" any more than I need to provide evidence Harry Potter isn't real.

The fact that there just isn't enough evidence isn't an excuse to fill in the blanks, rely on the gospels as credible and just slag off mythicists while claiming an invisible victory.

It's baffling. The HJ seem so confident of themselves, yet they are not backing it up with anything that I can see. It's always the same; "gospels can't all be made up" [yes they can], "Josephus, wah wah..." [bollocks, hearsay about beliefs about hearsay] and "Other historical figures...." [irrelevant]. These are starting to sound like the 3 pillars of apologetics, the arguments for HJ sound eerily familiar to the theist' arguments for godboy jesus and are about as convincing to me.

This is just a weird fascination really. I'm enjoying poking holes in jesus as if he doesn't have enough already. Whoahhhh!

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Right... so I'm putting my thoughts in order.

I think there is this myth that the bible is special and there must be "some truth" to it, even if you doubt most of it happened. I don't see why the book should be granted such special treatment.

So my question is... why should I assume the bible is anything other than fiction? Why should I take jesus any more seriously than Harry Potter?

The answer seems to be... there isn't enough evidence to say I should, but I really must keep an open mind, because, you know, it's jesus. Why should I keep an open mind? Obviously I'm open to more evidence and arguments, but at the end of the day this is a book, and it has all the hallmarks of fiction. The fact that it has a few historical facts is as relevant as the fact that New York is in the Spiderman comics.