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[Little Rik]

By the way i still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without a controlling mind.

There is no explanation of this because it's a fundamentally untenable scenario.

Whhhhhoooo, whhhhhooooooo.
Where is the evidence that the universe stay alive and well without a mind and therefore the scenario is untenable?
How do you know that the physical universe can exist without a controlling mind?
Do you have evidence of this?
If you haven't got evidence why then you guess that it is an untenable scenario?

I'm going to repeat this for the 3rd time on this thread: Minds are a property of brains. Until you can demonstrate the brain of the universe, there's no reason to posit a mind, let alone the possibility that mind can control matter.

I can demonstrate that a body can not exist without a controlling mind even if the mind is a demented mind like so many mind in this universe therefore it is obvious that the universal body has got to have a controlling mind.
This is pure mathematics Ben.

What you're doing is assuming that minds can be separate from brains with no evidence to support this assumption. You then claim that minds can control matter, also without any evidence. Extending these assumptions to fit your description of god, the existence of whom you also have no evidence for, takes your claims to ridiculous extremes.
Until you can provide evidence, your position amounts to nothing more than baseless assertion based on unevidenced assumptions.

1) I said that consciousness can be separated from the body and mind as experienced by thousand of NDEs not that the mind can be separated from the brain so please make a correction in your statement.
2) Yes i do claim that the mind control the body which part of it is matter.
This can easily be experienced with your mind-body as YOU decide what to do with your body.
3) How do you know that i have no evidence that God exist?
Can you really enter my consciousness and perceive God within myself?
Again as you most probably are on the bottom of the list in God mind how would you expect to perceive God?
So it is obvious that as you are unable to perceive it you presume that it doesn't exist anywhere else.
Wrong again Ben.

You never though about it, Ben did you?

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Ben, you may be guilty of argumentum untilurblueintheface, but no one has told Rik more plainly what he needs to hear. If only he could separate out his personal fantasy life from the marketplace of interpersonal ideas. Or better yet, write a comic book. Then he could share his ideas in a setting that didn't just beg for evidence.

Whatever, we all know how intelligent you are.
Maybe very soon you may be elevated to the rank of moderator or administrator like my ex-mate Stim.
In the meantime it is important to come down to planet earth.
Evidence doesn't come easy most of the time.
In the material field those who make a lot of $$$ take their risks and sometime they succeed.
Physically is the same.
You may start some exercises or a diet that will make you feel better.
Mentally is the same as your studies can take you somewhere.
Spiritually speaking there is no risks as the positive is not affected by the negative so you will succeed no matter what.
The problem with you however is that you wait, wait and wait for ever to find out whether there is something or not above the mind and in this way you will never get any evidence.
In this way the mind drag itself in the most dry of the desert.
I guess it is very difficult to find much evidence that normal life exist when you drag yourself in the middle of the desert.

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Once again you make claims which are not backed up by evidence.
And once again you got big big expectation into believing that if God ever exist he should manifest to you without taking in consideration that atheists may be at the very bottom of the list as far as God may be interested in manifesting in anyone of you.

Back to shifting the burden of proof again. I guess you're going to fail the gullibility test the aliens setup.

Nothing come for free anywhere so how do you expect to perceive God by doing absolutely nothing?

Evidence please.

How do you show the deluded that they're deluded?

And how do you know that they are deluded?
That is why i asked you for evidence.
Capishhh?

Sure it does.
At the same time also a masturbation does.
Get real surgen i am talking about permanent peace of mind achieved through a natural means.

Who cares if it's natural. The fact it works is what counts. If you want a permanent "peace of mind", you can always strap yourself to a IV of morphine for the rest of your life.

Who cares?
Just go around your street corner and see your local dealer.
If he doesn't look like a zombies he must be an exception.
On the other hand someone who achieve peace of mind naturally look healthy and bright.

Evidence in this field is individual and non physical but i suppose it is a bit difficult to explain this topic to someone stuck in the physical world.

Why deny the existence and happiness the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid can give? Evidence in this field is individual and non physical.

Gee, i should try what you are suggesting, you never know surgen.

Your effort to twist the thing around fail badly because it is you that came up with the funny story that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff without back it up with solid evidence.
By the way i still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without a controlling mind.

I still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without testicles.

We got people who are castrated so why not regarding a castrated physical world.
Gee, surgen you try always your best but you keep on failing time and time again.