I'm waiting for the train wreck. I know its coming.

He's wrecked too many trains for it to be interesting anymore

Nothing to add. Just checking into this thread for my weekly dose of insanity.

Carry on.

(February 25, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Surgenator Wrote: I'm waiting for the train wreck. I know its coming.

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(February 25, 2015 at 10:01 am)Riketto Wrote: And the evidence that i am deluded is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWlLPJG9Cvg

(February 25, 2015 at 11:30 am)LostLocke Wrote:

(February 25, 2015 at 11:26 am)Riketto Wrote: Isn't you guys that keep on requesting evidence after evidence for everything i say yet when surgen say that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff he doesn't come up with evidence.

There's a picture of a pineal gland.
Where's the 'non physical' stuff? All I see is a physical object...

(February 25, 2015 at 11:32 am)robvalue Wrote: Ow, I was using that!

(February 25, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Highly doubt it, that's a sheeps brain.

Oh no. Rob I thought you agreed you weren't going to mind fuck sheep anymore.

(February 25, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 25, 2015 at 10:01 am)Riketto Wrote: It can last for a life time but again IF we reborn again and again in order to get to the goal of life a lifetime is just a drop in the ocean and therefore is sometime.
You never thought about it surgen, did you?

Thats a big IF. Which you justify with NOTHING.

Life and afterlife is all a big IF.
It is not easy to see what will happen in the future that is why it is better to be prepared for anything that may eventuate.

Quote:So you try my God and you can say for sure that he is not real?
Didn't you say time and time again that the evidence in everything is paramount?

Quote:I cannot try something that doesn't exist. You and your god have to prove god's existence to me. I'm not wasting my time disproving every god concept that someone comes up with.

Once again you make claims which are not backed up by evidence.
And once again you got big big expectation into believing that if God ever exist he should manifest to you without taking in consideration that atheists may be at the very bottom of the list as far as God may be interested in manifesting in anyone of you.

Quote:And the evidence that i am deluded is?

Quote:Mixing irreverent information to justify a claim.

Evidence please.

Quote:The evidence that physical science can not solve the real human problem is paramount.
Physical science can only solve physical-mental problem but the desire for infinite peace of mind is not either physical nor mental so the analogy stay supreme.

Quote:Assertions, assertions, and look more assertions. Have you ever tried morphine? It really brings you some peace of mind.

Sure it does.
At the same time also a masturbation does.
Get real surgen i am talking about permanent peace of mind achieved through a natural means.

Quote:Sure. It is possible that God does not exist according to your logic but again your logic is based on No evidence as you are not interested in finding out whether God exist or not so we are still in the arena of guessing. (your guessing of course).

Quote:Sure. It is possible that pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid does not exist according to your logic but again your logic is based on No evidence as you are not interested in finding out whether pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid exist or not so we are still in the arena of guessing.

Evidence in this field is individual and non physical but i suppose it is a bit difficult to explain this topic to someone stuck in the physical world.

Quote:Before i take in serious consideration what the physical science say i take in serious consideration what my spiritual teacher say.
Physical science can only understand physical phenomena which (according to yoga) are the mental projection of the cosmic consciousness so why should i give more importance to the product of a thought rather than the one who create the thought?
In any case it is YOU that state that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff.
Physical science has not yet come up with any definitive truth about the role of this gland.

Quote:It is YOU that state that the testicles is only made of physical stuff.
Physical science has not yet come up with any definitive truth about the role of the testicles.
Using your illogic against you is fun.

Your effort to twist the thing around fail badly because it is you that came up with the funny story that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff without back it up with solid evidence.
By the way i still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without a controlling mind.

I did agree, but only verbally, nothing in writing.

(February 26, 2015 at 5:54 am)Riketto Wrote: By the way i still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without a controlling mind.

There is no explanation of this because it's a fundamentally untenable scenario. I'm going to repeat this for the 3rd time on this thread: Minds are a property of brains. Until you can demonstrate the brain of the universe, there's no reason to posit a mind, let alone the possibility that mind can control matter.

What you're doing is assuming that minds can be separate from brains with no evidence to support this assumption. You then claim that minds can control matter, also without any evidence. Extending these assumptions to fit your description of god, the existence of whom you also have no evidence for, takes your claims to ridiculous extremes.

Until you can provide evidence, your position amounts to nothing more than baseless assertion based on unevidenced assumptions.

You never though about it, Rik, did you?

Argument from ignorance. I will hold my absurd position until someone can prove it to be false.

(February 26, 2015 at 5:54 am)Riketto Wrote:

(February 25, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Thats a big IF. Which you justify with NOTHING.

Life and afterlife is all a big IF.
It is not easy to see what will happen in the future that is why it is better to be prepared for anything that may eventuate.

Justification... nope not here.

Quote:

Quote:I cannot try something that doesn't exist. You and your god have to prove god's existence to me. I'm not wasting my time disproving every god concept that someone comes up with.

Once again you make claims which are not backed up by evidence.
And once again you got big big expectation into believing that if God ever exist he should manifest to you without taking in consideration that atheists may be at the very bottom of the list as far as God may be interested in manifesting in anyone of you.

Back to shifting the burden of proof again. I guess you're going to fail the gullibility test the aliens setup.

Quote:

Quote:Mixing irreverent information to justify a claim.

Evidence please.

How do you show the deluded that they're deluded?

Quote:

Quote:Assertions, assertions, and look more assertions. Have you ever tried morphine? It really brings you some peace of mind.

Sure it does.
At the same time also a masturbation does.
Get real surgen i am talking about permanent peace of mind achieved through a natural means.

Who cares if it's natural. The fact it works is what counts. If you want a permanent "peace of mind", you can always strap yourself to a IV of morphine for the rest of your life.

Quote:

Quote:Sure. It is possible that pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid does not exist according to your logic but again your logic is based on No evidence as you are not interested in finding out whether pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid exist or not so we are still in the arena of guessing.

Evidence in this field is individual and non physical but i suppose it is a bit difficult to explain this topic to someone stuck in the physical world.

Why deny the existence and happiness the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid can give? Evidence in this field is individual and non physical.

Quote:

Quote:It is YOU that state that the testicles is only made of physical stuff.
Physical science has not yet come up with any definitive truth about the role of the testicles.
Using your illogic against you is fun.

Your effort to twist the thing around fail badly because it is you that came up with the funny story that the pineal gland is only made of physical stuff without back it up with solid evidence.
By the way i still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without a controlling mind.

I still wait to be given an explanation how the physical world can manage itself without testicles.