RE: Christians Unite
March 10, 2015 at 11:07 am
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2015 at 11:14 am by MilesAbbott81.)
(March 10, 2015 at 10:55 am)Sionnach Wrote: That is quite a convenient, lame, apologist excuse I tire of reading all the time.
Your god seems pretty lazy to repeatedly ignore humanity when it needs him most. Makes it seem as though he is not even there until it is convenient for the theist to imagine him there by claiming natural occurrences or coincidences as the supernatural work of god.
You speak as though that is all I said. Why don't you read the supporting ideas that back up the claim and address those?
He isn't lazy if the entire purpose is to teach us the difference between good and evil. Everyone must suffer at some point to learn this important lesson; it is the primary purpose of our existence as flesh and blood.
When all is accomplished, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Revelation 21:4
(March 10, 2015 at 10:59 am)robvalue Wrote: If God wants someone to win a battle, they win a battle.
This verse makes it pretty clear that even though God wanted them to be winning that day, iron chariots were an obstacle to that.
Of course, this is probably all a metaphor for how amazing God is at golf or something.
Look, why would it even mention chariots of iron if it actually meant "God was with them that day, but he didn't want them to win this one battle, so they didn't."
At best you have a terrible writer who throws in irrelevancies to try and deceive the reader. Great.
Iron chariots did indeed impose an obstacle - it was also God's way of putting up stop signs and saying "go no further, I've not given you this land yet."
And actually, if you look at the Young's Literal Translation, it isn't even apparent that a battle was fought. It may have been, and there were certainly losses during the conquest, but if the writers were trying to make the case that God was winning these battles for them supernaturally, then they were idiotic to include anything but astounding victories, and beyond idiotic to mention any losses.