(March 13, 2015 at 3:49 pm)professor Wrote: Miles, how interesting that you stumble over the same concept as the atheists here.
The idea that because God does not desire any to be lost is equivalent to Him making some provision for their salvation,
even against their own will in some cases is ludicrous.
Why is it ludicrous? Is it not without precedent? Jonah literally fled the country when the Lord called on him. Everyone comes to Christ not of their own will; otherwise, we would be our own saviors.
John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
People who feel they are saved by their own actions have never been saved. What they are doing is forming Jesus Christ into an idol that serves them, taking His name in vain.
(March 13, 2015 at 3:49 pm)professor Wrote: Every tongue is going to bow.
You were given the locations of those tongues also-
Under the earth is one of them, and includes all the Satanic fallen angels and demons.
It will not be voluntary for them.
Rome is an offshoot of the paganism that preceded it- Babylon, thus it is called that.
What we are given in those things "under the earth" is simply more confirmation that God saves those in Sheol, even as Jonah was saved:
Jonah 2:2
...From the depths of Sheol I called for help, and you listened to my cry..."
2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you brought my life up from the pit, O Lord my God.
And why would they be on bended knee, otherwise? Why worship one who condemns you, eternally no less? Does the Bible not teach us that the Lord is with us, even in Sheol?
Psalm 139:8
If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.
You failed to address the other Scriptures as well.
The RCC is not an offshoot of paganism, it simply incorporates pagan ideas, such as the trinity, eternal damnation, and Sunday worship. That is because it is the harlot, taking the doctrines of men into herself:
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The RCC and Protestant churches really do not differ so much. While there are certainly things the RCC does that are blatantly against God's laws, the Protestant church shares most of the same doctrine, including that of pagan origin, which I mentioned in the previous point.
(March 13, 2015 at 3:49 pm)professor Wrote: The Antichrist? Yes, I could describe it as revelation, seeing that the a majority of Christians actually voted for him, (going diametrically against core Christian values he opposes), it would not be unkind to state they are blind.Anyone who sees would be considered in a revelatory mode.
I posted here extensively on him, what I did not include are the dozen or so Christians I am aware of who, after inquiring of the Lord about him, have had visions or dreams confirming his status.
You can do the same if you choose.
Very well. I can't discount revelations I haven't examined.