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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
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RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
March 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm (This post was last modified: March 18, 2015 at 6:04 pm by watchamadoodle.)
(March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(March 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: Is there a minimum value for entropy?
In classical physics I don't think so (not 100% sure), but in quantum systems there's the third law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_law_o...modynamics
Quote:Also is there a minimum incremental change for entropy?

I don't think so...
I didn't understand the link, but this line jumped-out to me:
Quote:Physically, the Nernst–Simon statement implies that it is impossible for any procedure to bring a system to the absolute zero of temperature in a finite number of steps.
I suppose that means it is impossible to trace the universe back to time zero? (or maybe not... WTF do I know Tongue )

The finite number of steps sounds discrete to me. I edited my post to add this additional question (for you or anybody else Smile )
Quote:I saw an article describing entropy as the log of the number of states of a computer byte (i.e. the number of bits). Does this suggest that the universe is discrete, or is there a non-discrete way of imagining entropy too? (Sorry I know this is probably a silly question.)
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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

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Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LastPoet - March 18, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 18, 2015 at 4:45 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 4:14 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 5:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mister Agenda - March 19, 2015 at 2:36 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by FatAndFaithless - March 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by LostLocke - March 18, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Norman Humann - March 18, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 4:39 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 5:54 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Alex K - March 18, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 18, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by GriffinHunter - March 18, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Tonus - March 18, 2015 at 8:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 18, 2015 at 9:31 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Jenny A - March 18, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Cato - March 18, 2015 at 11:06 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by AFTT47 - March 19, 2015 at 12:22 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Anomalocaris - March 19, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Clueless Morgan - March 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Esquilax - March 19, 2015 at 1:25 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Whateverist - March 19, 2015 at 1:42 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:02 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Pizza - March 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 18, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:26 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by watchamadoodle - March 19, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by robvalue - March 19, 2015 at 7:57 am
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by JuliaL - March 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause - by Aractus - March 19, 2015 at 10:42 am

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