Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

[Mister Agenda]

I'm going to try to deduce what this sentence is supposed to mean. Please correct me if I am wrong. It sounds like you're trying to say that to gain evidence of the rules that govern the universe, the evidence would have to be within the universe and subject to the internal rules of the universe. If that is what you meant, I agree with that. I don't agree with the conclusion that it means we can find nothing out about conditions outside our universe unless the same rules apply without as within.

if by "same" you mean the set rules applying outside our universe is deductible from the set rules applying inside our universe, then yes, they do have to be the same. Other wise it is impossible to deduce how the condition and rules acting outside the universe would effect conditions observable inside the universe.

'Deductible from evidence we can find within the universe' seems a backtrack from 'we can extrapolate that the rules outside of the universe are the same as the ones within it'. If this is your actual position, I have no problem with it, and don't see how it contradicts the possibility--possibly necessity--that entropy does not apply to the universe in the way that it applies within the universe.

Must they? How do you know that? Maybe they're connected in a low degree. Anything can be analogized, so I can't argue with that.

They have to be connected sufficiently closely so deductions from inside the universe, based on the only set of rules governing how data used as evidence can be generated, transmitted and received, must be as valid outside the universe as inside the universe.

This seems to be a bare assertion. Why do they have to be connected sufficiently closely so deductions from inside the universe must be as valid outside the universe?