Comparing god to a Narcissist.

[Huggy Bear]

We could do dueling bible verses if you like, same book too;

Job 12:10- In his hand is the life of every creature, and the breath of all mankind.

Free will indeed, and if you don't utilize that free will in the way he sees fit he only sends you to a torturous plane of existence for all of eternity.

I going to assume you live in a free society.
In a free society you still have laws, you are free to do as you please as long as you don't transgress the law.

God has decreed that "the soul that sinneth, it shall die"

How do you know if you're a criminal? By breaking the law.
How do you know you're a sinner? By breaking God's law.
The penalty for sin is death (eternal separation from God), Total annihilation.

Who has the most culpability in this, Huggy, the mortals or the all powerful, omniscient, deity? In a given situation I'm far angrier with a good man who chose to do nothing, when he could have stopped evil, than the one who committed it; and even this little hypothetical fails to fully address a deity's failings.

Let's say God = the Sun
Everyone takes the Sun for granted, It's the most awesome object in our solar system, yet many don't give it a second thought. Although the Sun is shinning, guess what? Half the world is still covered in darkness. Imagine If the sun was to stop shining, what then? Likewise if God were to remove his presence from the earth (he eventually will) then the earth will be overrun with chaos, which is referred to as the "great tribulation.

Matthew 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

If you could create a universe, I'd put you on a pedestal too, because..I don't know...I owe my existence to you?. Also the sacrifices are for YOUR benefit, not his.

So if you found out that the world was actually created by Shai'tan (the Great Lord of the Dark from The Wheel of Time series) you'd worship him because he created you? You would have no mind for merit? No judgement for atrocities? Fuck that mindset man.

As for sacrifice; don't you think a benevolent all powerful deity would just have the capacity for bare forgiveness?

God is bound by his word, as I mention earlier "the soul that sinneth it shall die". God HAS to keep his word.

Death is the penalty for sin, but YOU don't have to die if something takes your place. Which is why one took a lamb and sacrificed it in their place, which was only a temporary fix because he is still a sinner, he still had the same desire to sin.

A pig loves being a pig, he likes to wallow in the mud. If you take it out of the mud and wash it, it will return to the mud, because he has the nature of a pig. Likewise a sheep has no desire to wallow in the mud, it likes to hang out in green pastures. If you want the pig to stay clean, you must change it's nature from a pig, to the nature of a sheep.

Sacrificing an animal for your sin, covered the sin but did not change your nature. The Blood of Jesus Christ has the power to change your nature so that you no longer have the desire to sin, which is why it's called being born again, you are a new creation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
He didn't have to do it, but he did so that we may have eternal life.

That is why we worship him.

Strange how this "benevolent" deity you worship will send a good person to an eternal pit of torture for no more reason than not accepting dubious claims.

There is no one that's "good" everyone has broken God's law.
Have you ever lied? Guilty
have you ever stolen? Guilty
Premarital sex? Guilty
Disrespected your parents? Guilty
I could go on, but you get the point. The only exception being those that didn't know. You however are with out excuse, you made the choice not to accept the way of escape.

So you're claiming that there are no people that take out "fire insurance"? Please. A show of hands, my fellow non-Christians, as to how many of you have seen Pascal's Wager trotted out as if it were the Christian's secret weapon? That's nothing but a tactic to induce doubt and fear in the hopes of conversion, and people have fallen for it since it's conception.

If a man only faithful to his wife because he is afraid she'll divorce him, is probably married for the wrong reasons. He should be faithful to his wife because he loves her, not because he's afraid the consequences.

You serve God out of love not fear. You cannot mentally conceive how horrific hell is. It makes no sense for you to fear something you have no concept for. A literal burning hell would be like Disneyland compared to what hell is actually like.

You're either woefully unimaginative, or you're just being a disingenuous tit. Honestly now.

Always love this statement. Pray tell, how on earth does an omniscient being not intend to do something? They know what's going to happen.

The devil is going to hell no matter what, MAN doesn't have to go there, God provided every man a way to escape hell.
Bridges weren't intended for people to commit suicide from, but guess what? People jump make the conscious decision to off of bridges all the time, the same way people end up in hell by not taking the prescribed way out.

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If you don't want to discuss the subject of God, then don't bring it up.
That's all.

You know, in the real world we mostly don't. Around here we can vent about the stupid shit we heard from one of you christers at work (or on tv or at the mall or street preaching or...). We get pounded by christer beliefs daily yet on the rare occasion we mention it to someone in position to stop it (when it's in an inappropriate place, like at work), we're usually shut down.

Then we get ass-clowns like you coming here and complaining about what we choose to discuss. Don't like what you read here, don't come here. You won't find me on a christer board and I won't miss you if you leave.

let me give you an example of what I'm talking about.

Atheist: God is evil!
Christian: God isn't evil.. (gives reason)
Atheist: God doesn't exist!

Surely you can see how asinine that conversation is....