RE: Comparing god to a Narcissist.
March 28, 2015 at 7:54 am
(This post was last modified: March 28, 2015 at 7:55 am by Bob Kelso.)
(March 28, 2015 at 4:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I going to assume you live in a free society.
In a free society you still have laws, you are free to do as you please as long as you don't transgress the law.
God has decreed that "the soul that sinneth, it shall die"
How do you know if you're a criminal? By breaking the law.
How do you know you're a sinner? By breaking God's law.
The penalty for sin is death (eternal separation from God), Total annihilation.
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Yes, you know that you're a criminal by breaking laws; man made laws that have clear backing from governments, with demonstrable consequences. You've got what every other religion has, unfalsifiable claims of "this is what god says" with absolutely no backing.
Not to mention that this is kind of beyond the point of where we're at as far as Christianity is concerned:
You either accept what the bible says on faith and accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, or you go to hell. Y'know, cos he loves you.
(March 28, 2015 at 4:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Let's say God = the Sun
Everyone takes the Sun for granted, It's the most awesome object in our solar system, yet many don't give it a second thought. Although the Sun is shinning, guess what? Half the world is still covered in darkness. Imagine If the sun was to stop shining, what then? Likewise if God were to remove his presence from the earth (he eventually will) then the earth will be overrun with chaos, which is referred to as the "great tribulation.
So you're saying that god's actually doing something because he's behind the good in the world? That's a highly convenient argument since that gives him the credit for literally every good work/happenstance that comes along while not requiring any kind of backing, save for bare assertion.
Here's the thing, even if we give that, and Christianity in general, the benefit of the doubt, he's still responsible for every ill thing that's ever been or ever will be. He chose to create the circumstances that humanity is in; which, if you think about it, is a completely unacceptable standard that people should expect from a self-described infallible being with limitless potential.
(March 28, 2015 at 4:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: God is bound by his word, as I mention earlier "the soul that sinneth it shall die". God HAS to keep his word.
Death is the penalty for sin, but YOU don't have to die if something takes your place. Which is why one took a lamb and sacrificed it in their place, which was only a temporary fix because he is still a sinner, he still had the same desire to sin.
A pig loves being a pig, he likes to wallow in the mud. If you take it out of the mud and wash it, it will return to the mud, because he has the nature of a pig. Likewise a sheep has no desire to wallow in the mud, it likes to hang out in green pastures. If you want the pig to stay clean, you must change it's nature from a pig, to the nature of a sheep.
Sacrificing an animal for your sin, covered the sin but did not change your nature. The Blood of Jesus Christ has the power to change your nature so that you no longer have the desire to sin, which is why it's called being born again, you are a new creation through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
He didn't have to do it, but he did so that we may have eternal life.
That is why we worship him.

Paradox aside for the moment, let's say god is bound by his word:
What, a deity can't forgive humanity without bloodshed that no decent person would accept on their behalf in the first place? Let's put the barbaric Jewish scapegoating aside for a moment, and in it's place let's just say god decided to go another route:
"...the soul that sinneth shall die. But if he's actually sorry we're cool-eth, and if he's not then he gets chewed out something fierce, punished for a deserving amount of time, and sent on his merry way because finite sin doesn't deserve infinite punishment no matter what."
Even Hitler deserves a break after a few hundred lifetimes of punishment man. At some point you say "mercy", and that's why I wouldn't worship a deity who wouldn't (if I thought he existed).
(March 28, 2015 at 4:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: There is no one that's "good" everyone has broken God's law.
Have you ever lied? Guilty
have you ever stolen? Guilty
Premarital sex? Guilty
Disrespected your parents? Guilty
I could go on, but you get the point. The only exception being those that didn't know. You however are with out excuse, you made the choice not to accept the way of escape.

(March 28, 2015 at 4:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: If a man only faithful to his wife because he is afraid she'll divorce him, is probably married for the wrong reasons. He should be faithful to his wife because he loves her, not because he's afraid the consequences.
I didn't say it was for the "right" reasons, but it does happen.
(March 28, 2015 at 4:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The devil is going to hell no matter what, MAN doesn't have to go there, God provided every man a way to escape hell.*emboldened by me*
Bridges weren't intended for people to commit suicide from, but guess what? People jump make the conscious decision to off of bridges all the time, the same way people end up in hell by not taking the prescribed way out.
Except for those that don't accept claims with no verifiable evidence.
Believe it or not, Huggy, there are atheists who have sought "the truth" as presented by the religious earnestly who have experienced, and felt, absolutely nothing.