RE: Atheism Ireland denounces hateful bigot PZ Myers
April 10, 2015 at 6:50 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2015 at 6:56 pm by Dystopia.)
Quote:That's not prejudiced, that's reality. Whether we like it or not, the majority of modern terrorists happen to be brown skinned people from the Middle East who cling to the Muslim faith. It only makes sense to take a closer look at such people, the same way you'd look more closely at men than women if you're seeking a serial killer. Most serial killers are men. So long as these facts remain true, we need to focus our limited resources to looking at more likely suspects than less likely suspects. It is truly idiotic to spend as much time looking at an 80-year old white grandmother from Des Moines as a terrorist suspect, just in the name of political correctness. That's exactly what Harris has said (the few times I've paid attention). It's nothing personal, it's entirely rational though.I do see your point, but:
By the same token, if we're trying to solve an abortion clinic bombing, the most rational place to start is looking at fundamentalist Christian men. That's not racist, that's not sexist, that's not anti-religion, that's identifying the demographic which has been most often associated with the crime and giving them some well-deserved extra scrutiny.
- Muslims are not an entire race and you can find (1) Black Muslims from African countries in big big numbers, those are really not "brown" (2) White Muslims who converted to Islam (3) Mixed race people who you can't identify clearly (4) Brown people are a huge group - For example someone from India is different from a Saudi
The problem with this is that it allows us to hurt non Muslims - Sikhs have been hurt because they look like Muslims but aren't at all - I'm not saying you should inspect 80 year old grandmothers and so on but do you believe terrorists are dumb enough to show up wearing a silly hat and a giant beard? How do you identify a brown skin? I'm from southern Europe, I look darker than most whites, am I considered brown?
Let me ask you a question - If you believe that, do you think we should arrest blacks more often than whites if it's proven that blacks commit more crimes? Should we suspect blacks more automatically?
Quote:The problem is, Dawkins is entirely right about that, you simply cannot declare modern thinking to be magically true across all times and in all places, there are far too many modern atheists who do exactly that. They think that our modern view of morality is perfect and everyone else's has always been wrong. They ignore the simple fact that people who had slaves thought that owning slaves was correct and people in the past had simply done things wrong. In another 100 years, our ancestors are going to look back and be shocked at how wrong we have it, from their perspective. This idea of "I'm right and everyone else is wrong because they don't agree with me" is really very shallow.I partially agree but let me ask this - What is mild paedophilia? Because I was thinking about legal differences between for example paedophilia using a knife and without the knife etc - His comment about rape (date rape and knife rape or something like that) was idiotic because you can't quantify how much serious rape is for someone - Marital rape for example is in theory less serious than rape at gunpoint but for the person getting raped it can be terrible to be hurt by someone you have loved your entire life
I also find that criticism of Dawkins is often simply ripped out of context. Many of the people who do it are just mad at him because he's a rich white man. They're not secretive about it either, they come right out and say it. The same people who accuse Dawkins and others of being sexist and racist are doing it out of sexism and racism. It's really quite bizarre.
My point here is that all leaders say dumb things and for that I don't worship them - And yes that includes Dawkins and other famous atheists - For example I think his statement on the dear muslima and all that shit is stupid because it boils down to "there are larger problems elsewhere therefore we can't solve ours - So goodbye western poverty"
Quote:Jews in America are extremely powerful, despite being a minority. It's been quite well known and touted as a joke for some time, with Marlon Brando essentially saying Hollywood is run by Jews in his auto-biography. There is an extremely powerful Jewish influence in America. Famous ones include Ben Bernake, the chairman of the US Federal Reserve, Rahm Emanuel, White House Chief of Staff, Sergey Brin, founder of Google, etc.Yes because Marlon Brando is someone we should totally take seriously as the expert on geo-politics, that was his job after all..... I hope you're not going to say that "Jews rule the world" or something like that
First define me "Jew" - Is it culture, ethnicity, religion, or a mix between some or all of those? THen prove it
Quote:The argument Hitchens put forward was that men more often than not, on average have to be funnier than women. His point wasn't that all men wanted to get laid, his point was that men who want to get laid often need to be funny in some way. That was his position on culture in first world countries; hence why he points out that the responses to his essay didn't address that key part. His head-line ''Why women still aren't funny'' was just a clickbait title.Have to be does not mean "are" - His view pretty much ignores everything else about getting laid - It also assumes it's men who want to bang women when many times nowadays it's reciprocal because women want to have sex as well
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you