Atheism Ireland denounces hateful bigot PZ Myers

[Cephus]

I do see your point, but:
- Muslims are not an entire race and you can find (1) Black Muslims from African countries in big big numbers, those are really not "brown" (2) White Muslims who converted to Islam (3) Mixed race people who you can't identify clearly (4) Brown people are a huge group - For example someone from India is different from a Saudi

The problem with this is that it allows us to hurt non Muslims - Sikhs have been hurt because they look like Muslims but aren't at all - I'm not saying you should inspect 80 year old grandmothers and so on but do you believe terrorists are dumb enough to show up wearing a silly hat and a giant beard? How do you identify a brown skin? I'm from southern Europe, I look darker than most whites, am I considered brown?

No, Islam isn't a race of any kind.  There are, as you point out, black Muslims, white Muslims, Hispanic Muslims, Asian Muslims, there are probably Muslims of every single racial group out there, pretending Islam is a race at all is absurd.  That doesn't stop a lot of liberals from running around calling any criticism of Islam racist.  I also gave a pretty decent definition of what I was talking about, specifically Muslims from the Middle East.  If we're talking about airports, which is what Harris and others have talked about, then we're going to know who is on that plane and who deserves extra scrutiny.  I'm not saying drag them out of line and waterboard them, I'm saying give them a little extra scrutiny as they are going through customs.  Sorry if that's not fair but life isn't fair.  Maybe if the more liberal, non-jihadi Muslims in the Middle East were a little more concerned about the crazy terrorists and did something on their end, they wouldn't be in this situation.  They're the ones that collectively allow this to happen.  The same is true of Americans who go to Israel.  They have a serious problem with American fundamentalist Christians trying to blow up the Dome of the Rock so that the Jews can rebuild the temple and start armageddon.  This seems to be an almost entirely American issue. Why shouldn't Americans get some extra scrutiny getting off planes in Israel?

I partially agree but let me ask this - What is mild paedophilia? Because I was thinking about legal differences between for example paedophilia using a knife and without the knife etc - His comment about rape (date rape and knife rape or something like that) was idiotic because you can't quantify how much serious rape is for someone - Marital rape for example is in theory less serious than rape at gunpoint but for the person getting raped it can be terrible to be hurt by someone you have loved your entire life

My point here is that all leaders say dumb things and for that I don't worship them - And yes that includes Dawkins and other famous atheists - For example I think his statement on the dear muslima and all that shit is stupid because it boils down to "there are larger problems elsewhere therefore we can't solve ours - So goodbye western poverty"

I have no idea, I haven't directly read Dawkins' comments. The only thing we can really gauge is how our current society views these crimes, as committed within our current society.  Our current social views really have no bearing on anything else.  The whole thing about Mohammed being a pedophile is meaningless.  At the time he lived, what he did was acceptable.  Whether we have those same views today is irrelevant.

Besides, who ever elected Richard Dawkins as a leader in the atheist movement?  I know I never voted for him, or anyone else.  He's not a leader, he's just a guy, the same as Dennett and Harris, the same was true of Hitchens.  We need to stop pretending we have leaders.  We're all individuals.  We can choose to pay attention to something someone else says or we can choose to ignore it.  He's no more important than you or I, he's just written more books.

As for Dear Muslima, I do agree with what Dawkins says.  He was criticizing western feminists who really only pay attention to problems in their own back yard, they only worry about first world problems, not major issues that they don't have to stare at every day.  What he said is absolutely and unquestionably true, you've got a lot of western feminists who are much more concerned that someone might look at them funny at an atheist conference than the fact that women are being murdered and raped for religious reasons overseas.  No matter what they claim, these feminists don't  care about the rights and treatment of women, they only care about themselves.