RE: Atheism Ireland denounces hateful bigot PZ Myers
April 10, 2015 at 7:23 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2015 at 7:27 pm by Dystopia.)
Quote:No, Islam isn't a race of any kind. There are, as you point out, black Muslims, white Muslims, Hispanic Muslims, Asian Muslims, there are probably Muslims of every single racial group out there, pretending Islam is a race at all is absurd. That doesn't stop a lot of liberals from running around calling any criticism of Islam racist. I also gave a pretty decent definition of what I was talking about, specifically Muslims from the Middle East. If we're talking about airports, which is what Harris and others have talked about, then we're going to know who is on that plane and who deserves extra scrutiny. I'm not saying drag them out of line and waterboard them, I'm saying give them a little extra scrutiny as they are going through customs. Sorry if that's not fair but life isn't fair. Maybe if the more liberal, non-jihadi Muslims in the Middle East were a little more concerned about the crazy terrorists and did something on their end, they wouldn't be in this situation. They're the ones that collectively allow this to happen. The same is true of Americans who go to Israel. They have a serious problem with American fundamentalist Christians trying to blow up the Dome of the Rock so that the Jews can rebuild the temple and start armageddon. This seems to be an almost entirely American issue. Why shouldn't Americans get some extra scrutiny getting off planes in Israel?I don't disagree entirely but can you explain at least a plausible picture of what a terrorist looks like? Do you think they are easily identifiable?
Quote:I have no idea, I haven't directly read Dawkins' comments. The only thing we can really gauge is how our current society views these crimes, as committed within our current society. Our current social views really have no bearing on anything else. The whole thing about Mohammed being a pedophile is meaningless. At the time he lived, what he did was acceptable. Whether we have those same views today is irrelevant.On this I can agree but I was interpreting "mild" as something different so sorry for that (law student stuff) - I'm always amused when people hate me for telling them that imperialism at the time was pretty much justified and normal
Quote:Besides, who ever elected Richard Dawkins as a leader in the atheist movement? I know I never voted for him, or anyone else. He's not a leader, he's just a guy, the same as Dennett and Harris, the same was true of Hitchens. We need to stop pretending we have leaders. We're all individuals. We can choose to pay attention to something someone else says or we can choose to ignore it. He's no more important than you or I, he's just written more books.My point, he's a cool person in some stuff, but not a leader for atheism because it's not a religion
Quote:As for Dear Muslima, I do agree with what Dawkins says. He was criticizing western feminists who really only pay attention to problems in their own back yard, they only worry about first world problems, not major issues that they don't have to stare at every day. What he said is absolutely and unquestionably true, you've got a lot of western feminists who are much more concerned that someone might look at them funny at an atheist conference than the fact that women are being murdered and raped for religious reasons overseas. No matter what they claim, these feminists don't care about the rights and treatment of women, they only care about themselves.I don't see your point, are you saying we should ignore our problems? Your example is overly satirical to be taken seriously, the greatest concerns in this case wouldn't be something looking at you funny but perhaps being harassed, blamed for rape, suffering domestic violence or suffering stupid stereotypes. I have a question - For those who think women (and other people in those countries) Suffer so much - Why don't you donate money? Have you wondered that maybe those crazy feminists are not rich and perhaps because of that they focus on their local countries/cities? Not to mention that as I have said the perspective is anglo-saxon feminist based and very narrow minded - It's no surprise some members here have never heard of feminazis - America is a bad representation of the entire west, my girlfriend is a feminist and she is anti-Islam, but I believe the pro-Islam thing is more liberal left oriented than feminism - Would you be surprised if I told you there are right-wing feminists out there?
On the problematic of suffering - There's people in North Korea worse than most places in the world but I don't give a fuck, literally - I care about my country and half of the world can die for all as I care - Solving first world problems actually improves the second and third world because we have influence over them - The whole point was to say that it's ironic to use the "they have it worse somewhere" because for ANY problem you can find ANY worse problem, for pretty much anything there is a worse something - Being stoned to death is worse than being whipped for adultery for example, but both are horrible.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you