RE: Atheism Ireland denounces hateful bigot PZ Myers
April 10, 2015 at 8:26 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2015 at 9:04 pm by TheMessiah.)
(April 10, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Alex K Wrote:(April 10, 2015 at 6:54 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: PZM is on record for spewing hate. As I linked in the OP.
The OP is more or less Nugent presenting a sorry bunch of snippets completely out of context. Why should I trust him to fairly represent how these things were meant and sounded in context, and follow his judgment based on this? I don't...
Can you explain to me how those quotes are out of context? If they were out of context, as you claim (all of them), then Atheism Ireland, a highly respected and established organisation would not publicly denounce PZ Myers.
And no, it wasn't Nugent representing them. The original source was directly from Atheism Ireland, they cited those remarks in a detailed post of why they're denouncing him.
http://atheist.ie/2015/04/atheist-irelan...-pz-myers/
(April 10, 2015 at 7:13 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Actually white men have
More specifically, white Jews.
Quote:My point is that in western countries there is no persecution against Christians and Christians are not the most discriminated minority like some like to claim - It's a lot harder to be Muslim because everyone thinks you're a terrorist or even Jewish because many people think you're greedy and rule the world
There is discrimination towards Christians largely built on stereotypes. My point of contention was that being privileged does not excuse discrimination. Discrimination is wrong either way and it should be condemned whether you're a rich Jew or poor Muslim. Many people associate Christians with gay-hating Creationist idiots, while those people exist, it should not be a scapegoat.
Quote:What's the criteria for Jewish? Religion is useless because those are people who happen to have the same religion - I guess we can then say that Christians have a lot of influence over the media, far more than Jews - And yes Jews are successful and do make money (and have high IQ's) because ashkenazi Jews (ethnic group) practised eugenics among other things and have a culture that values knowledge hardwork etc
The link said religious group, so while ethnic Jews exist, I presume it meant religious followers. Christians do have a lot of influence over the media, but self-identifying Christians make up 77% of the US population, in comparison to a mere 2% of the Jewish population in the US. Of that 2% Jewish population, they make up 25% of the 400 wealthiest Americans.
Of the 1,426 billionaires around the globe, 165 of them are Jews, and their joint wealth reaches the incredible amount of $812 billion.
Quote:For Jews to be privileged there would not be conspiracy theories about them ruling the world or people thinking that Israel shouldn't exist - For Jews to be privileged you would have to forget the dark side of the internet where you can find over 10000 sites promoting Jew hatred.
There are Islamic hate groups which openly call for the murder of both Jews and Christian ''infidels'' --- with contempt for Christians. Along with that, is the general mockery of Christians. My point is that it's irrelevant whether they're ''privileged''; it's not an excuse for discrimination/hatred.
In fact, that is the exact line of thinking which festered antisemitism. For many years, leading up to the holocaust, Jews were hated for their wealth. Despised with utter contempt and that antisemitism was built on the notion that Jews were unfairly privileged. This type of thinking was very common in Eastern Europe. It's only now, that we consider Jews not to be 'privileged' in the sense that Christians are.
Quote:I never understood this - if your only goal is to get laid why not pay a hooker? You can find really cheap ones and they cost less than buying one or two drinks
Could pay a hooker, I believe he was just making a general point in regards to the dating scene.