(April 10, 2015 at 7:23 pm)Dystopia Wrote:Quote:I don't disagree entirely but can you explain at least a plausible picture of what a terrorist looks like? Do you think they are easily identifiable?
If it was easy, there would be no terrorists because we'd catch them all. But there's no way to check everyone, we have limited resources and we need to find the most rational way of applying them. I don't really care how it makes people feel, I care how effective it is. There are lots of people out there who couldn't care less what's effective, they just want to feel good.
Quote:My point, he's a cool person in some stuff, but not a leader for atheism because it's not a religion
I've met him a couple of times, he's a decent person but he's not a hero or a leader. I get really tired of people who have absurd levels of hero worship. PZ is one of those people who has a cult of personality around him. Dawkins has his own views, he writes books and gives talks and people can choose to listen to him or not. They can agree or disagree with him all they want. He shouldn't be a target because he's got some imaginary status within the atheist community, but because people can demonstrate that he's right or wrong. Most people can't do either.
Quote:I don't see your point, are you saying we should ignore our problems? Your example is overly satirical to be taken seriously, the greatest concerns in this case wouldn't be something looking at you funny but perhaps being harassed, blamed for rape, suffering domestic violence or suffering stupid stereotypes. I have a question - For those who think women (and other people in those countries) Suffer so much - Why don't you donate money? Have you wondered that maybe those crazy feminists are not rich and perhaps because of that they focus on their local countries/cities? Not to mention that as I have said the perspective is anglo-saxon feminist based and very narrow minded - It's no surprise some members here have never heard of feminazis - America is a bad representation of the entire west, my girlfriend is a feminist and she is anti-Islam, but I believe the pro-Islam thing is more liberal left oriented than feminism - Would you be surprised if I told you there are right-wing feminists out there?
Nope, but so many radical feminists give absolutely zero fucks about anyone but themselves, they act like the world is falling down around their ears and Dawkins, rightfully, pointed out that they've got very little, compared to others, to complain about. That was the point that I took from Dear Muslima, although if you want to know how Dawkins meant it, you'd have to talk to him. There are a lot of people who do give money and call attention to things outside of the first world. Those people are not the feminists you see ranting on YouTube and Tumblr, or getting pissy on Twitter. Yes, there are plenty of feminists of virtually every political stripe, but the ones that are out there yelling and screaming, especially the radical feminists whining about the patriarchy and all that, the people who are pretty solidly on PZ's side, to bring this back to the subject at hand, those are absurdly far left. There probably isn't a right wing feminist among them.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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