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Eternal the originator of time - proof.
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RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof.
(April 11, 2015 at 9:53 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: As far as how an eternal being exists, creates, and relates to the world of creation...I think this is beyond our understanding. It preceded time and originated it. Yet there is no before time in reality since before comes with time. It's just that time couldn't appear out of nothing so God on ontological level precedes time and always existed and is in the state of eternal existence as he always was. Time now relates to him, and he sees it, but that is not to say that time really keeps him or that there was a time in which he was not creating and just standing idle. It's just that creation requires time, and time requires a start, and start of time requires a cause.

You keep saying time requires a start, but have not proven this to be the case. And God, being timeless, if he ever created the universe, could never have done anything other than create the universe. He must intrinsically be linked to it at every level-- which makes him a part of it. God cannot have created himself, and since he created the universe, the universe cannot have been created by God, and a creator God cannot therefore exist, at least by your definition.
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Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by MysticKnight - April 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by abaris - April 11, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chad32 - April 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chad32 - April 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 11, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 11, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 7:06 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 12, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by LostLocke - April 12, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Aoi Magi - April 12, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Iroscato - April 11, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 11, 2015 at 8:23 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 8:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 9:40 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by IATIA - April 12, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 11, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 11, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 12, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by IATIA - April 11, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Mudhammam - April 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 3:23 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Lucanus - April 12, 2015 at 3:59 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 8:19 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by FreeTony - April 12, 2015 at 8:56 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by JuliaL - April 13, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Pizza - April 12, 2015 at 9:58 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Silver - April 12, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by LostLocke - April 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Aoi Magi - April 12, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 13, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 13, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Cyberman - April 13, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 13, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 13, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 13, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 13, 2015 at 9:16 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 13, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 14, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Cyberman - April 14, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Pizza - April 14, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by FreeTony - April 14, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by henryp - April 14, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:14 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 15, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 15, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by noctalla - April 18, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 19, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 2:00 am

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