RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof.
April 12, 2015 at 5:17 am
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2015 at 5:21 am by Alex K.)
(April 11, 2015 at 8:23 pm)robvalue Wrote: I think quantum mechanics heavily blurs the line between effects and causes, wouldn't you say so Alex? (Psst, agree with me!)
Yes. And even in classical physics it's not all that obvious because the arrow of time relies on entropy and thus on the probabilities of events.
(April 12, 2015 at 3:59 am)Lucanus Wrote: IMHO, trying to use conventional logic in regards to the origins of the universe isn't really wise, as quantum physics have proven that stuff happens in weird ways we're not used to experience in the macroscopic world of ours.
We really don't know much about the actual nature of time (at least as far as I know, feel free to shame me Alex) and about the deep nature of the cause-effect principles. Of course, we know how they work at our level, and we know they are there, but those questions are better left to physicists, not amateur philosophers.
First of all, yes, but even if you managed to find a rigid concept of cause and effect in physics, it still wouldn't apply to the "creation" of the universe as a whole. So I think it might be a job for philosophers, but they are not allowed to use classical physics concepts to make their arguments without solid justification...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
