(April 11, 2015 at 10:14 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 11, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Chas Wrote: Except #7 does not follow. It assumes a being where none has been shown to be required.
The first initial point of time is not eternal. It didn't always exist. The logical conclusion then is that it came into being. It coming into being from nothing is illogical. Something had to always be there. That eternal thing is the only thing that could of cause time to come into being. But without a will and power, it could not have caused it to come into being. Therefore it makes sense it's an eternal being with will and power.
Before time, there is no 'always'.
Quote:I already showed how I concluded there is a being/creator as a result of time having a start. It doesn't make sense to say "what is more north then the north pole", because in case of time, yes even the very initial point of time needs to come into being. There not being something time wise before it doesn't take out the need of it being caused because it was not always there. So an eternal being needs to cause it.
You concluded there is a being, but you did not prove it or even convince anyone. #7 does not logically follow in the argument.
Pro tip: You don't seem to actually understand what a proof is.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.