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Eternal the originator of time - proof.
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RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof.
(April 11, 2015 at 8:22 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 8:19 pm)Alex K Wrote: Wasn't "effect needs cause" a premise? If not then what is your argument exactly. It's confusingly written because there are several paragraphs and I don't understand how they relate
That was one part of the argument. But the conclusion doesn't rely on it. Because there is two parts to initial part of the argument. One then talks about effect and cause. The other part talks about time and it's limited nature.  Then the conclusions follow from there. (ie. the first point of time came into being, ie time came into being).

So you are saying effects don't require a cause?

Can you rewrite your argument such that it doesn't contain things it doesn't actually rely on? That makes it unnecessarily opaque.

Yes, effects don't always require a cause. 
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by MysticKnight - April 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by abaris - April 11, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chad32 - April 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chad32 - April 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 11, 2015 at 7:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 11, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 11, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 7:06 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 12, 2015 at 8:23 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by LostLocke - April 12, 2015 at 10:25 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Aoi Magi - April 12, 2015 at 10:44 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Iroscato - April 11, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 11, 2015 at 8:23 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 8:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 9:40 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 12, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by IATIA - April 12, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 11, 2015 at 8:32 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 11, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Chas - April 12, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 11, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by IATIA - April 11, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Mudhammam - April 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 3:23 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Lucanus - April 12, 2015 at 3:59 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 8:19 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by FreeTony - April 12, 2015 at 8:56 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by JuliaL - April 13, 2015 at 11:09 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Pizza - April 12, 2015 at 9:58 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Silver - April 12, 2015 at 11:19 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 12, 2015 at 11:51 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by LostLocke - April 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 12, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Aoi Magi - April 12, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 13, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 12, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 13, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Cyberman - April 13, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 13, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 13, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 13, 2015 at 4:42 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 13, 2015 at 9:16 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Esquilax - April 13, 2015 at 9:55 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 14, 2015 at 7:52 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Cyberman - April 14, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Pizza - April 14, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by FreeTony - April 14, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by henryp - April 14, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:14 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 15, 2015 at 3:01 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 15, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:04 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by Alex K - April 15, 2015 at 5:52 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by noctalla - April 18, 2015 at 11:29 pm
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by bennyboy - April 19, 2015 at 12:35 am
RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof. - by robvalue - April 19, 2015 at 2:00 am

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