RE: Eternal the originator of time - proof.
April 12, 2015 at 8:09 am
(This post was last modified: April 12, 2015 at 8:15 am by Mystic.)
Quote:Can you rewrite your argument such that it doesn't contain things it doesn't actually rely on? That makes it unnecessarily opaque.I wrote the argument in a way that showed infinite regress is not possible in two ways. So if both arguments were shown to be false, then my argument would fail. And now I've written a third proof for time being finite. So all three would have to be refuted. And then there is an argument after that as to why a creator created it.
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Yes, effects don't always require a cause.
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(April 11, 2015 at 8:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Even if I were to concede for the sake of argument, than on smaller scale, effects occur without a cause (instead of saying these causes are yet unknown by science), still the over all effects in endless universe, all requires a cause, therefore the argument can be modified and seen in this light, and it would show the universe is not of infinite chain of cause and effects still.
Do you disagree with the modified argument?
(April 12, 2015 at 6:58 am)Chas Wrote: Before time, there is no 'always'.Time started, whether we can say there is a before or not, doesn't really matter. It just couldn't have started from nothing. Physical things all require time to change and effect things or create things. Physical things could not have made time appear from nothing. Therefore it makes sense a Creator with will and power created it. To state there was no always, is to state nothingness always existed, then time began which is absurd.