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Pascal's Wager Revisited
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RE: Pascal's Wager Revisited
April 12, 2015 at 4:00 pm
(April 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm)datc Wrote: No afterlife which you would not want to enjoy for eternity is plausible. The Christian heaven (given that we know virtually nothing of it), if nothing else, at least has the infinite God for the souls to explore; or perhaps an endlessly expanding civilization to build.

So, you respond to my pointing out that you were making completely arbitrary qualifications, by making another arbitrary qualification? Why the hell does our enjoyment of an afterlife impact its plausibility? How the fuck did you determine that? Doesn't christianity offer hell as a second afterlife?

Quote:Valhalla is fully finite; and who'd want to stay there forever? The end result is indeed "persistent vegetative state."

And why does this impact its plausibility at all? I said to stop making baseless assertions. Dodgy

Quote:If you don't like "transcend," use "upgrade." The meaning of transcending is a transformation that preserves some A, B, C and greatly upgrades other P, Q, R. On the one hand, then, Valhalla is implausible, because nothing in it gets upgraded. It merely continues the same "slaying of enemies" that was featured in this life.

And how did you determine that an afterlife necessarily has to improve upon this one to be plausible? I'm asking for your reasoning, not just another rehash of your conclusions, because I think your conclusions are just made up.

Quote:On the other hand, my argument does not assume that everything will get upgraded, either. That would be an opposite mistake. It thus delineates one thing, namely, the human insatiable urge for improvement of oneself and the world, that will not be upgraded. It is part of human nature here, and it will be part of human nature in the hereafter. As a result, the hereafter must needs present an endless supply of novel experiences and will never be boring.

Why does an afterlife necessarily have to cater to our whims to be plausible?
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Pascal's Wager Revisited - by datc - April 7, 2015 at 2:34 pm
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RE: Pascal's Wager Revisited - by Mudhammam - April 7, 2015 at 2:56 pm
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