JW looking for clarity

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Hello all. This is my first post.

Hi

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I have been agnostic for about a year now. I am open minded for either belief or non belief in god. I have read a lot on atheist forums and also christian apologetics websites. My favorite is William Lane Craig. I am sure he has some haters here but regardless, he is one of the smartest mind on the theist side.

If WLC is their best, I don't want to meet their worst.

His greatest skill in my mind, is how well he deconstructs bad/faulty arguments of those on the atheist side.

Rare events do happen.

But I know that someone can win a debate and still be wrong. I just want help from others that might have similar experience with being a strong believer in any faith and then coming to clarity.

So you came to a discussion forum not for a discussion but to ... ... affirm your beliefs onto them?

For me, the simple, "show me evidence of god" argument is lacking.

That is not an argument. It is a request for justification.

I don't believe that a deity that by logic would be a being that transcends space and time as we know it would be easily defined in that space and time.

A being that is not doesn't experience time cannot do anything because there is no time to do it. Time is what allows for transition in states.

I just struggle the most with the fact that it seems like this universe had a start.

Therefore, Loki has successfully deceived the human race into believing the stupidest shit for his personal amusement.

And the other part that I struggle with, is that it seems like humanity is on a death spiral. I have read that this is a relatively peaceful time in human history and we have so many advances here and there. But when you look at global warming, nuclear warfare capabilities, worsening poverty issues, etc... it feel like humans will be bring on their own death within the next 100 years or so.

Every generation says we are living in the end times. The world is on a death spiral, the end is nigh. Remember the black death, cuban missile crisis, and Y2K. They have all been wrong. Why should this case be any different?

Some other things that will have no effect on me...

Bashing JWs- I believe strongly that JW's are great people that do have many faults in the organization and the people but overall it is a group of people that try their best to be good hardworking fellow citizens. And I know  all the history that you can find in 10 seconds on google. I don't believe its a cult and that they use brain washing as a tactic.

Thats nice.  

God's immorality in the bible - I know this is a favorite of many atheist. I remember Matt from the atheist experience podcast once saying that he is more moral than god because of the things that god condoned in the bible. First of all, if you can be a MORE moral person that implies a moral BEST. If there is a moral best, then that implies absolute morals. And second of all, Matt's point was that even if there was a god he would be proud that he didn't serve him in any way. But then he would kind of be proving the bibles point that men fell away because they thought they knew better... Also, I don't believe that the bible reflects gods ideal condition. I don't believe the mosaic law was a perfect law. But I do believe that it could be argued that the mosaic law was the best possible law for an imperfect system.

Really, mosaic law is the best. Woohoo, I'm going to canada to get me some slaves.

"Matter cannot be created or destroyed" - Arguments like this are a laymans understanding of physical laws. I am a layman so I try not to get into such arguments. But I know that if it was such a good argument. then more atheist in the public world would employ it more often. From my lay understanding, some physical laws were not set until some time after the universe came into existence.

It's "Energy cannot be created or destroyed." Also, what argument are you talking about?

Please also feel free to ask any questions about what Jehovah's witnesses believe. Thanks!

You'll have to compete with my good friend google, but I'll ask if he fails me.