(September 8, 2010 at 4:15 pm)Realmleader Wrote: [a]IS it bias? Yes, personal Bias, but every decision we make has some degree of personal bias.
Conformation bias is something more than that, it's a common factor in theistic arguments, especially in relation to personal experiences:
http://www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html
Quote:[b]My family? Feh. Don't make me laugh, I told you my mother told me stories, you do not know the nature of my *family* Do the people I count as significant agree with me? No, not all of them, but at least 40%, the others are Atheist, or luke warm agnostics.
This was response to Watson giving significance to his families agreemnt with him, which is a fallacy. I didn't expect this to apply to you.
Quote:[c]Yes, the bible is reliable in my eyes, in my belief, that is why it's called Faith.
what parts of the bible? Do you accept all of the bible? I would doubt it... unless you think bashing the children of your enemies with rocks is a good thing to do (psalms 137:9)
If not then you are clearly judging the bible by your own standards, and if you are capable of doing that then why bother with it in the first place? Your ability to pick and chose from this so called "inspired" text shows that you have your own standards which are not necessarily related to the contents of the book it's self and that you impose your standards onto the book.
This essentially makes the bible a crutch for some intelelcual or emotional vulnerability, namely incredulity.
Quote:[d]A wizard? Maybe if he talked to me right.....no not really. I believe I have a relationship (and I appreciate your careful note in using the word "relationship") with the Creator, and yes, I am very familiar with the no true scotsman deal, so if your warming up for that lets get it it.
Great, so why do you think you have a relationship with the cosmic wizard?
Quote:[e]Through Experience, yes.
When personal experience can lead to so many contradictory conclusions, especially when considering propositions like cosmic wizards that are by their very definition non-verifiable and unfalsifiable, why do you consider it to be in any way a sufficient standard for determining truth?
Quote:So what conclusions do you draw from this Void?
That you are experiencing a long term brain-fart that has convinced you that you are friends with a cosmic wizard.
' Wrote:You asked this question well, your no doubt the smart one.Think back to Paul though... I thought he had it all figured out until he was struck down on Damascus, (that is really stretching it for my version of 'experience' but that point remains) He learned from this exp. changed his outlook drastically, and began living a Christ centered life. As i stated before, this was just the seed that took root for me, I've strengthened my faith since. But personal experience has compounded every chapter in my life.
You didn't answer his question

Quote:If I said to you that peanut butter and honey made a great sandwich and you asked me how I knew, I wuld say to, "I tried it! It was awesome!" (granted any number of atheist will wish to step in and say they've tried God and are X-christians) But will my testimony be good enough for skeptical old you? No, I think you would have to see for yourself.
"Peanut butter is good" is entirely different from "peanut butter exists".
If we were debating whether or not X concept of god is "good" (as in desirable) then your analogy would be suitable, however since we are not, you have commtted false analogy. Would the idea of a wizard who makes everything work and looks after me and offers eternal life be good? Probably, depeinding on the specifics, does the fact that we can find such a conceptual to be 'good' have anythign at all to do with it's existence? Not at all.
Try again.
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