Proof of God

[Harris]

I'm sure the debate has long since evolved from the first post, but I'd like to weigh in anyways.
I think the reality in dealing with the origins of the universe is "who the heck knows."  There is soooooo much that we don't have any idea about that trying to create these a) or b) things is an exercise in futility.  We don't comprehend God, or nothingness, or infinity.  And we're sketchy at best on time and space.  And that still leaves out all the stuff we don't even know that we don't know.
In my religious days, I liked trying to create similar arguments.  But I've since come to accept that omnipotence probably isn't in the cards for humans, and we probably have to settle for not knowing exactly what happened a bazillion years ago.

“When our senses of sight and hearing are used without thought and thus become obscured by material things, the material things act on the material sense and lead them astray. That is all. The function of the mind-and-heart is to think. If we think, we will get the principles of things. If we do not think, we will not get them. This is what Heaven has given us. If we first build upon the ‘great body’ of our nature, then the ‘small body’ cannot overcome it. It is this which makes human beings great.”
Mencius (Mengzi 6A15; Van Norden 2008, 156)

@Harris
A tree shall be judged according to the fruit it bears. The European communities are thriving under democracy, relative equality for women, and the clear sight of science. Tell me, how are the Muslim communities doing? Poorly-- they are filled with rage, with a disrespect of education, with inequality for women, and a complete (I mean, really complete) disregard for free speech. You proudly proclaim that Islam is the fastest growing religion, but when anyone points out the great harm that this is bringing to the world, you go straight to no true Scotsman arguments: they aren't the REAL muslims, you should study the Koran to understand what REAL muslims think. Which is it?

Without God, survival of the fittest and urgencies prevail in any culture. That what exactly is happening in the Secular West.
The deliberate interference by Western countries in the politics of Africa and Muslim world has risen to alarming levels as the Secular West is, by all possible means, trying to get total control over Muslim world and over African wealth. Secular West sponsors all the wars and conflicts in the Muslim world and in Africa.
Only remove western interference from the Muslim world and from Africa and everyone in these regions would live the happiest life.
However, that will not happen because Secular West will never give up their luxurious life style, which is founded over natural resources of the Muslim world and Africa.
Following are some countries; whose natural resources make them the wealthiest countries in the world, but these countries have faced and facing deadliest conflicts due to Western intervention and people of these countries are one of the poorest. This is a simple example of the ambitious adventures of the Secular West, which is destined to get hold on African wealth for the lavish lifestyle that it adopted.
Diamonds:
46% of the world, divided as Botswana 35%; Congo (Kinshasa) 34%; South Africa 17%; Angola, 8%.
Gold:
21% of the world, divided as South Africa 56%; Ghana, 13%; Tanzania, 10%; and Mali, 8%.
Uranium:
16% of the world, divided as Namibia 46%; Niger 44%; South Africa less than 10%.
Bauxite (for aluminium):
9% of the world, divided as Guinea 95%; Ghana 5%.
Steel:
2% of the world, divided as South Africa 54%; Egypt 32%; Libya 7%; Algeria 6%.
Aluminium:
5% of the world, divided as South Africa 48%; Mozambique 32%; Egypt 14%.
Copper (mine/refined):
5%/ of the world, divided as Zambia 65%/77%; South Africa 15%/19%; Congo (Kinshasa) 13%/0%; Egypt 0%/3%.
Platinum/Palladium:
62% of the world, divided as South Africa 97%/96%.
Coal: 5% of the world, divided as South Africa 99%.
Finally yet importantly, do not forget Afghanistan, which is now facing more than 100 years of Western and socialist aggressions.
A very recent development in Ukraine is also the result of Western intervention.

Anyway, why do you need to argue about the religious community?

You are attacking Muslim community and I have no option than to argue against your unjustifiable and reckless attacks.
I hate Politics (especially Western politics), which is not politics but hypocrisy. Supporters of that hypocrisy whether Muslims or not are also double-dealers.

We are talking about whether an all-good, all-powerful God exists. The fact is that if there are false Muslims, and they are inflicting harm on innocents, then God is allowing this harm and injustice to be inflicted on innocents.

These false Muslims are working for the cause of Western hypocrites only to get some sucked bones. You can find such people in every community. Western countries are supporting those culprits and eating the Muslim world from inside out like termites. On top of that, they come with all their latest weaponry in order to kill that termite by calling their actions as War on terror.
In any case, Muslims are the one who are losing their lands, properties, and lives in their homelands by the fictitious War on Terror.

God therefore is unjust, or unwilling/unable to eliminate the injustice. Such a weak or immoral God could only be the product of the minds of men-- and if there is a real God, your ideas about Him must necessarily be wrong.

At several occasions, I have indicated that without God justice and injustice, moral and immoral, and Good and Bad have no meanings. If you think, there is no God then why are you concerned about justice and injustice at all. Without God fittest has the right to live a lavish life at the cost of health of poor and feeble people. Without God, poor and feeble people are no more than worms.

Go fuck yourself Harris.  Isn;t there some other group of people you'd like to call defective today? Women, gays.....jews..whatev. Why should we be the sole beneficiary of your tremendous intellect?
Go spread that muslim love.

I thought atheists are unprejudiced people. It seems I am mistaken.