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RE: Proof of God

April 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm

(April 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Mezmo! Wrote:
(February 27, 2015 at 2:16 am)Pizza Wrote: Prove the necessary being is a thinking being.

Summa Theological, fifth way I.e. final cause.

The fifth way is Aquinus trying to sneak intelligence into natural laws. The natural laws are a byproduct of symmetries. For example, translation invariance (this spot over here is no different than that spot over there) -> conservation of momentum. No intelligence is required for the conservation laws to exist.

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RE: Proof of God - by Harris - March 18, 2015 at 11:09 am

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RE: Proof of God - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2015 at 1:27 pm

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RE: Proof of God - by Pizza - February 27, 2015 at 2:16 am

RE: Proof of God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm

RE: Proof of God - by Surgenator - April 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm

RE: Proof of God - by Harris - April 22, 2015 at 1:44 pm

RE: Proof of God - by Surgenator - April 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

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RE: Proof of God - by Neo-Scholastic - April 25, 2015 at 10:06 am

RE: Proof of God - by Mudhammam - April 25, 2015 at 1:39 pm

RE: Proof of God - by Harris - April 27, 2015 at 6:57 am

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RE: Proof of God - by Harris - May 2, 2015 at 8:56 am

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RE: Proof of God - by bennyboy - May 3, 2015 at 1:40 am

RE: Proof of God - by Neo-Scholastic - May 2, 2015 at 10:56 am

RE: Proof of God - by LostLocke - May 3, 2015 at 11:54 am

RE: Proof of God - by Harris - April 25, 2015 at 4:34 am

RE: Proof of God - by pocaracas - April 22, 2015 at 5:16 pm

RE: Proof of God - by downbeatplumb - April 24, 2015 at 1:48 pm

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