Being gay is a fetish.

[John V]

The twin study, at best, rules out a purely genetic predisposition, it's not evidence that homosexuality is a choice or a lifestyle. Purely genetic/completely conscious choice is a false dichotomy, especially in light of the fact that, most likely, it's due to a combination of factors.

No, considering that I'm arguing against the comparison to skin color, it's valid.

But the simple lived experience of other people completely invalidates this claim that it's some conscious choice and nothing more; for all your talk about evidence you're certainly willing to completely ignore that whenever it's brought up.

For all your use of logical fallacies, you're certainly willing to ignore confirmation bias when it suits you.

What's not legitimate is you deciding that your wild, only partially justified assertion stands until proven wrong, especially when the science itself has not come to a conclusion yet.

At least I'm partially justified. All you have is personal testimony which could result from confirmation bias, and - you do this a lot - you accuse me of an argument from ignorance when you're smack dab in the middle of one yourself.

Study is still ongoing, even your twins studies have additional factors that could explain the results due to the mechanisms of how twins form, and so it is completely ludicrous for you to assume that your position is somehow the default.

I could understand high, but less than 100%, concordance due to such factors, but not concordance rates as low as 7%. Also note the comparison to race. Twins are concordant on skin color at or near 100%.

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"Christian" is a choice, but I wonder what Christians would make of any establishment being able to refuse to serve any Christians? If it's OK for one, nothing to stop it eventually being the case that almost everyone does is it if Christianity became a minority.

Would they shrug their shoulders and go, "Fair enough, I made my choice."

These kinds of laws protect everyone, it's worth remembering that you never know when you might become the minority.

A difference between you and me is that I tend to work with what is current or likely, while you tend to take things to the hypothetical extremes.

I value free association. Yes, I like to be with like-minded people and exclude others. I understand that means that others are also allowed to group together and exclude me. I find this to be a more interesting world than one of forced conformity.