RE: Proof of God
April 24, 2015 at 10:40 am
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2015 at 10:43 am by Pizza.)
(April 24, 2015 at 7:44 am)bennyboy Wrote:I mean unintelligent things like trees producing seeds and not cars. I'm more annoyed by how when theists take this line of reasoning that they fail to prove that only a sentience thing can do this or that. If this was ancient times they would be claiming that the rain is caused by a rain god. Notice how Chad straw-manned what I asked. I'm okay with there being a "sufficient reason" but he never gives a non-question begging for we are to think he knows what the reason is and that that reason is mind, and then if mind not the mind of human observers. He rules out an atheistic immaterialism without argument.(April 24, 2015 at 6:57 am)Pizza Wrote: Why are we believe that the bolded premise is true? The fact that we have localized cases of unintelligent beings producing order effects counts for something, since we can't just assume god or not god from the start without begging the question.I'm not so sure. I think in the passage you quoted, "intelligence" means something like "sentience" or "awareness," not so much having a human capacity.
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