Personal Victory

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I've never had many conversations with theists face to face.

I have a kind of image in my mind of how it would go. They say a bunch of vague stuff about Jesus, and he died to save us, and so on. I ask, "Save us from what?"

Then I imagine gears creaking into motion that have not moved in many years, dust and old congealed oil going everywhere, a long silence... and then a long series of ad-hoc answers showing that they've put next to no thought into what it actually means.

That is an entirely fictional strawman of course which exists only in my mind. I wonder if that is how it would go if I did discuss with a theist IRL.