(September 13, 2010 at 10:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: why do you believe you can apply your standards to God?
Here comes the fundie shitstorm.
I was not "applying my standards" to god, i simply pointed out what has been believed for a very long time to be a Dichotomy - If you have a problem with the dichotomy then maybe you would like to explain why and where it is wrong rather than just asserting it.
Quote: Why did you say assuming God....
Because the Dilemma is only applicable to believers.
Quote:Stop trying to manipulate the answers that are given to this argument.
I do believe an answer was given, it was Horn 1 of the dilemma, that being that Morality is whatever God wills it to be.
Quote: There is no actual dilemma, you stated "two apparent options" I like Watson see another option and it's not an option taken to get around anything except the little trap you are trying to set.
1) It's not a trap, it's a true Dichotomy - Whether or not you are comfortable with it or not means nothing.
2) Watson essentially went with Horn 1 - That being that what is moral is whatever God is/does/wills and if God was to will that something else be moral it would be moral because he wills it - He may will it because it follows from his nature, but if his nature was different would morals be different?
Or would you still consider something immoral (such as rape) even if it was commanded by god?
Quote: This is my view, God is good, it is not who He is, it's what He is. If good was who God is then your statments would apply, since good is what God is the statements do not fit.
That makes no sense, morals are actions, morals aren't simply part of being. God commands certain things, and these are what we would consider moral actions. Are these things moral because god commands them, or does god command them because they are moral?
Quote: God is good and His goodness sets the standard for the things that are good and the things that are not good.
Drop the word good and explain it in terms of morality. Icecream is good and has nothing to do with morality. All you are doing by using good in a non-moralistic sense is making things cloudy.
Quote: God's goodness sets the standards for morality, just as God's love sets the standards for morality, His kindness sets the standards for morality and ect.
How? Where does god get his moral sense from? Himself? If that is the case then all that is required for something to be moral is that god commands it. This again is horn 1.
Hypothetically if there existed a god who commanded rape (as is declared in the OT) would rape be moral?
What if this God commands you to bash children against the rocks, as is in Pslams 137:9?
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