The euthyphro dilemma.

[Shell B]

Thankfully, that's not why I don't believe god is real.

That's good. Why do you, then?

Because I have seen nothing to suggest such. Furthermore, the concept of god is outside of the realm of what I consider possible. I like to spend my time pondering the real wonders of the universe, not the ones some sheep herder made up.

So, the lesson was, if we are all bad, god is going to kill us. Got it.

No, Shell B, come on. I am confident of the fact that yo uare smarter than that. Do you really think your interpretation of the story, which took you five minutes to think up and even less time to write out, is correct? Think harder, rsearch more, observe and experience the world a little more openly. It will come to you. You are most definitely smart enough for it to.

It didn't take me five minutes to think that up. Furthermore, there is nothing else to research. What would you have me do, expand my understanding of the morals of Aesop's fables? I'm not capable of twisting a story so much as to render it unrecognizable for the sake of finding some moral that isn't there. I'll accept the one I see and then dismiss is it as crap. That's how I roll.

I don't claim to fully understand the story. I've only got an inkling of what it is about, but I know it isn't 'If we are all bad, God wipes us out.' That doesn't match up with my understanding of God. From what I can tell, the story is partially a commentary on the fact that if God wanted to, He has the power to wipe us out. So it's kind of like being humble to your parents and obeying their rules while under their roof. They have every right to kick you out once you get old enough to know better.

The key phrase in your above statement is that it doesn't match with your understanding of god. That says a lot.

Perhaps that is what you glean from the story. My parents were cooler than god in that they used threats of making me get my own place instead of drowning me to get their point across. Even that was enough to make me move out straight out of high school.

So what good points can you make against God based on real life?

None that would fit your understanding of god.