Quote:What are we talking about here by 'endless torture'? What is the torture, is it endless, and how does one earn it? Also, you make the mistake of calling disbelief 'victimless'. It is not victimless, because the person disbelieving is the victim; seperation from God is the torture, and that is Hell.Do keep in mind that theists don't all agree on what hell is.
Also what do you mean disbelief isn't victemless. I'm not harming myself. I'm just great. It is victemless. I was born with lack of belief and have always lacked belief and felt no ill effect. Also if hell is nothing more than being seperate from god then I'm fine with that. Since I've lived my whole life without belief in him. Hardly torture.
Quote:I can try, but I doubt you'll really care or accept my reasoning.I can accept that you have beliefs and I can respect that. Just don't expect me to agree with your reasoning if I don't think it's very sound reasoning.
Quote:It is not necessarily having certain thoughts that winds you up in Hell, it is choosing to believe in thsoe thoughts which does so.I didn't choose to lack belief. I never had belief. If I said I believed in god I would be lying to you and myself. I don't choose to lack belief, I'm just not convinced that such a thing like god exists.
Quote:Convinced of their own thoughts or answersNo, convinced of the evidence presented. If there is no evidence, there is no case. Simple.
Quote:the person with the beleif, or lack thereof, is affectedAffected how? I'm to be punished for being a victem to myself? Wheres the sense in that?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
