Proof of God

[bennyboy]

Scriptures (so called fairy tales) are exactly acting like experienced and knowledgeable adults.

For example, almost all scriptures condemn Adultery, Homosexuality, and Incest and prohibit these actions in sternest manners. Most people (like children) do not apprehend the hidden evil in unnatural sexual activities at first glance. They only look at the immediate pleasures. They normally do not think about the socio-psychological after effects and medical issues veiled in such actions.

In short, Scripture normally forbid those acts the consequences of which are not immediately apparent but slowly poison everyone and cause harm to the coming generations.

Yes, because the Islamic community is so psychologically healthy and well-balanced. . . much better than those corrupted, suffering Canadians, Swiss, Finns, Australians, New Zealanders. Dude, do you not have access to the outside world at all? What you say and observable reality are so far apart that your religion is now bordering on psychosis.

The idea of God is not the idea of anything that is really no more than the idea of our own human essence. Knowledge of God is not empty or cold speculation that merely flits in the brain, but rather knowledge that takes root in the heart and includes the honouring of God.

Sure sure. Knowledge of the balance of my Four Psychic Winds, and of the Pooh Cycles of the Magic Space monkey, also take root in the heart. Stop talking as though your fairy tale were real, and start getting down to the part where you prove God exists without 100-line word salad.

People are more powerfully motivated by self-interest than the sentiments of concern for each other. If they are not controlled by dispassionate objective laws then each person is his/her own judge of what is best. In such environment, there would be no assurance that one’s safety and one’s possessions will not be at the mercy of other people. People would be indifferent to each other and intellectually bright and educated people would become selfishly cold to the fate of the suffering masses. The general condition of uncertainty is the condition where people can do anything (by the use of power and intellect) they like to pursue their wellbeing and secure their safety.

Stop making shit up. The best countries in the world right now are non-islamic, and largely non-religious. You don't see Canadians cannibalizing each other in the streets more and more as religion becomes gradually obsolete there, do you? You keep saying "would" and then following it with demonstrably false assertions.

The question I posed was very much relevant to the proof of God and it seems you have a good idea about what your “yes” and “no” means. That is the reason you have carefully chosen your agnostic path to escape from a firm “yes” or “no”. However, having your own conscious being in the intelligible universe if you say “I do not know whether there is God” because you cannot perceive Him like you perceive matter that simply means “I do not believe in God” and that is rather a hypocritical way to rebel against God.

The reason I've chosen an agnostic path is that I don't know for sure if there is some kind of Creator who might be called god. But I'm not agnostic about YOUR vision of God: it's nonsense.

To which you are referring, as “philosophical speculation” are in fact logical truths.

That you think so is obvious. But you need to learn how logic works if you think anything about your religion or its texts is logical.

You should live in a Muslim community in order to see how a real Muslim woman, who believe in the existence of God and obeys His commandments, may respond to your lustful ideas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3708444.stm

Do you want me to quote the literally hundreds of stories showing women being beaten, having acid poured in their faces, been shot, been raped and then blamed for adultury? Just because one crazy muslim chick wants to wear a towel on her head doesn't mean that Islam is a champion of the rights of women.

And that's one more thing-- do you not see that if God is real, your religion's fucking insane cultural conventions are an insult to that real God?

Yes, I agree that Muslims are insulting God by doing all prohibited activities. Such Muslims would get in double trouble because they are aware of the Divine Law yet they follow their lustful desires. In fact, by not following Sharia Law, Muslims are not insulting God but they insult their own beings.

No. Sharia law IS the insult to God. The entire body of Sharia law is a violation of the concepts of freewill, of love and compassion. It is a law which implies a complete lack of faith-- you do not believe God can guide, can judge, or can punish on His own, but needs a bunch of oppressive misogynists to carry out his will.

If you think that covering beautiful hairs by man-made scarf is a sin against God’s purpose then covering female sexual organs are even a bigger sin because the look of those private parts provide far better pleasure to man compared to the simple look of beautiful hairs. Beautiful hairs have the power to provoke sexual desires in man and for the safety and dignity; women are commanded to cover their hairs.

There's nothing wrong with nudity, either. Well-adjusted people can go to a nude beach, appreciate the freedom of wearing the clothes nature gave them, and do it without raping a woman, blaming her, and stoning her for death for not covering up.

The desire is not in the woman-- it's in the sexually repressed brains of dysfunctional men. And increasing the taboo only increases the dysfunction.

Again, you are making shit up, and do not have actual facts. I can play the bullshit speculation game, too. Don't you know that homosexuals are encouraged by non-homosexuals revealing their dirty faces and their glistening muscles? Don't you know that every man who goes shirtless or even bare-armed is provoking the desires in the homosexuals and that they must therefore also wear full-body-bathtowels in order to prevent others from losing moral self-control?