RE: The Ultimate Why There Is Evil in the World Thread.
May 14, 2015 at 7:51 pm
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(May 14, 2015 at 7:09 pm)dahrling Wrote:(May 14, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: You've made a number of mistakes in your OP, so I'd like to address them here.
First, God has no wants or needs. He is perfect in and of Himself.
Well, here's a passage in Deuteronomy,
And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul," Deuteronomy 10:12
Here we are told god asked something of someone. Now, tell me, why would someone ask, that is, require something of someone, if they possessed the resources to provide for their own needs or desires in the first place?
Got kids? Ever coach a little league team? We require things of others that are in their best interest, don't we? And if we who are mere human parents and coaches ask of those of whom we have charge, how much more would it be reasonable to understand that God may require things of us in preparation for entering into His presence?
Quote:(May 14, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Second, God is infinite, and it is not possible for finite man to love an infinite God that would address His infinite need even if He had one. (see #1 above).
If God is infinite, and he didn't need a creator, why do we?
And why do we need infinite love if he doesn't? (Didn't you say god has no wants or needs?)
Because unlike God, we are not infinite.
Quote:(May 14, 2015 at 5:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Third, God allows us free will so that WE may love Him which is the highest act WE may perform. IOW, God created us and gave us free will for OUR benefit, not His.
Now, if babies are raped as a consequence of God's decision to give us free will, the responsibility for the rape still falls on the person who chooses to commit that act because other options were available to that person. No one is forced to commit rape in the normal course of daily life.
If god gave us the free will to rape, murder, and commit "sins", then he is guilty of being an accessory to these crimes. He is the creator of humankind, therefore he is responsible for us, and he allowed humankind to become corrupt as he watched us descend into "evil". He is, at the very least, an accomplice.
No. God did not participate nor assist us in choosing to sin against Him. He does not provide aid nor material support of any type to those who wish to do things that are offensive to Him and to us.
It might make people feel less guilty or even guilt-free to pursue this line of reasoning when they are doing things which they know in their heart of hearts that they should not do, but it is a dead end. Truly. Dead.
(May 14, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How come your 'god' didn't know that Saul would disobey...disobey btw in not murdering everyone that fucking god wanted murdered.
Shouldn't an omniscient god have a clue?
God did know that Saul would disobey. That's not what is at work here.
And now the test...do you REALLY want an answer?
Because your exact verse is covered in depth here:
God Does Not Repent Like a Man
By John Piper
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